2019 Men's Wimbledon Championships

[Front242]

This may have already been mentioned, but in case it hasn’t ...

During loss, Fabio Fognini says Wimbledon should be bombed

You know what, he's right. The courts are a disgrace this year. Obviously wait till no one is on the courts but I'd gladly press the red button

 

[Front242]

Starting with Kyrgios and Tomic the Next Gen are going to lose all their money with the fines :cuckoo:

Not exactly. He was fined £4400. He made £111,000 this Wimbledon. He'll get over it.

"And on Saturday he was handed a fine, although it won’t do the 22-year-old too much harm considering he pocketed £111,000 in prize money."


https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/06/dani...s-courts-angry-outburst-10124642/?ito=cbshare

 

[atttomole]

I will say this: Federer needs to improve his level of play. In an ironic way, I thought his level of play at Roland Garros was better than in Wimbledon as of right now. I watched some of his match against Lucas Pouille, his backhand and return of serve were bad. The good thing is his forehand is great, his slice backhand is effective, and he is still serving well under pressure moments.

But he needs to improve his level of play if he wants to win the tournament.

Federer players badly even at Halle, apart from the final against Gofffin.

 

[brokenshoelace]

He barely beat a subpar Kyrgios who played 2 really poor tiebreaks and who barely trains at all and was out drinking the night before their match, and didn't/couldn't even run down many balls and Tsonga who is as slow as a snail since his latest surgery. 2 points reversed in the 3rd set TB and Kyrgios had won that set so then the guy who was playing rubbish by his standards was up 2 sets to 1 having crap fitness and out drinking the night before.. The 4th set TB was absolutely horrific by Kyrgios.

It's good to be positive but if he was playing so well he'd have put Kyrgios away much more easily than he did. Tsonga beat himself. Served 56% for the match which won't beat any top players, made a ton of errors and and couldn't run down any balls in the corners or hit with sharp angles as he's way too slow and unfit now. Djokovic is far and away the favourite here imo given the slow courts.

How do you barely beat someone in 4 sets?

 

[Front242]

How do you barely beat someone in 4 sets?

Two tiebreaks? 1 of which was decided by 2 measly points as I said.

Take Federer v Stakhovsky at Wimbledon 2013. That match was decided by four points. Yes, 4 points. If Federer won 2 of those tiebreaks and the scoreline was reversed to 7-6(5) in his favour he'd have won. I know you obviously know this but I'm showing a scenario where one guy barely won and the other barely lost...

6-7(5) 7-6(5) 7-5 7-6(5)

 

[brokenshoelace]

Two tiebreaks? 1 of which was decided by 2 measly points as I said.

Take Federer v Stakhovsky at Wimbledon 2013. That match was decided by four points. Yes, 4 points. If Federer won 2 of those tiebreaks and the scoreline was reversed to 7-6(5) in his favour he'd have won. I know you obviously know this but I'm showing a scenario where one guy barely won and the other barely lost...

6-7(5) 7-6(5) 7-5 7-6(5)

That’s not how tennis works. If one of those points goes differently literally the rest of the match unfolds differently (one way or another). It’s amazing that this has to be explained. It’s amazing that a match in which a player was never in real danger of losing can be characterized as “barely” beating someone. It was a close, competitive match, that’s it.

 

[shawnbm]

Better—more in the court

 

[Front242]

That’s not how tennis works. If one of those points goes differently literally the rest of the match unfolds differently (one way or another). It’s amazing that this has to be explained. It’s amazing that a match in which a player was never in real danger of losing can be characterized as “barely” beating someone. It was a close, competitive match l, that’s it.

We'll agree to disagree because in the match between Nadal and Kyrgios those sets were headed for a tiebreak no matter who won them so it wouldn't have mattered imo. Take Isner v Karlovic then if you want and your somewhat smartarse reply above that this needs to somehow be explained is null and void cos neither of those 2 are likely to break serve much at all. Then a match decided all by tiebreaks is indeed decided by a handful of points..

Why exactly was he never in danger of losing btw? 1 set all and 5-5 in the 3rd set TB and 2 points determined who went up 2 sets to 1. The Nadal camp wouldn't have been so cocky then...

And Kyrgios played nowhere near his capabilities and somehow it got nailbitingly close to him being up 2 sets to 1..from there it wouldn't have looked too rosy.

 

[Andy22]

We'll agree to disagree because in the match between Nadal and Kyrgios those sets were headed for a tiebreak no matter who won them so it wouldn't have mattered imo. Take Isner v Karlovic then if you want and your somewhat smartarse reply above that this needs to somehow be explained is null and void cos neither of those 2 are likely to break serve much at all. Then a match decided all by tiebreaks is indeed decided by a handful of points..

Yet Nadal won 15 matches in a row, RG 19 and just beaten both Federer + Djokovic in their last matches saintly much. Anyway Federer was not won major in 19 months so that makes you think he's going to win Wimbledon, it's Djokovic or Nadal event to win

 

[Front242]

Yet Nadal won 15 matches in a row, RG 19 and just beaten both Federer + Djokovic in their last matches saintly much. Anyway Federer was not won major in 19 months so that makes you think he's going to win Wimbledon, it's Djokovic or Nadal event to win

You obviously never read my post where I said Djokovic is the clear favourite here and even more so due to the horribly slow conditions this year. Winning matches on clay means nothing so your useless stat above is pointless. Nadal has won 3 matches this year on grass and since this is grass season that's all that matters right now. He hasn't beaten anyone who played particularly well either.

 

[Andy22]

You obviously never read my post where I said Djokovic is the clear favourite here and even more so due to the horribly slow conditions this year. Winning matches on clay means nothing so your useless stat above is pointless. Nadal has won 3 matches this year on grass and since this is grass season that's all that matters right now. He hasn't beaten anyone who played particularly well either.

If don't accept it fine but N.kyrios did play well in that match as well Federer at RG, Nadal was just too good not in those matches, and yes djokovic is the favourite to win Wimbledon but will he? We will see regardless Federer not winning Wimbledon.

 

[Front242]

If don't accept it fine but N.kyrios did play well in that match as well Federer at RG, Nadal was just too good not in those matches, and yes djokovic is the favourite to win Wimbledon but will he? We will see regardless Federer not winning Wimbledon.

Kyrgios was terrible when it mattered most in both tiebreaks, particularly the second one and had never lost a TB to Nadal before that match.

 

[mrzz]

Anyone else happen to notice that Fognini is in trouble again for on-court comments? During his loss today to Sandgren, he was unhappy with the court, and appears to have said in Italian something to the effect of "I hope they put a bomb on this club." I saw him talking about it, and made some sort of apology that seemed far from convincing. Apparently, he's under some threat of suspension already for past bad behavior. Here is an article from the NYTimes in 2017, when, during the USO he was fined heavily for using sexist language against a female umpire, calling her, amongst other things, they said, a "whore." The article also makes mention of an ethnic slur he used against Krajinovic during a Wimbledon match in 2014. I'm having to rethink my renewed fandom of the Fog. It appears he really is more than a little bit of a boor.

I heard something about it... but haven't watched the videos or more importantly heard any audio. I obviously don't like racial slur but I must admit I liked the bomb comment. Must be my inner partigiano...

 

[brokenshoelace]

We'll agree to disagree because in the match between Nadal and Kyrgios those sets were headed for a tiebreak no matter who won them so it wouldn't have mattered imo. Take Isner v Karlovic then if you want and your somewhat smartarse reply above that this needs to somehow be explained is null and void cos neither of those 2 are likely to break serve much at all. Then a match decided all by tiebreaks is indeed decided by a handful of points..

By the same logic (which I disagree with to be clear), since those sets were always going to go to tie breaks then the match was always going to be a case of someone "barely" winning, so why use that against Nadal?

Why exactly was he never in danger of losing btw? 1 set all and 5-5 in the 3rd set TB and 2 points determined who went up 2 sets to 1. The Nadal camp wouldn't have been so cocky then...

So the closest he was to losing the match was...the match being tied in the third set? I think this answers your own question. And yeah, he may have been in trouble if he was down 2 sets to 1. Except he wasn't. He didn't even lose the first set. He was never down in the match. How is that being close to losing?

And Kyrgios played nowhere near his capabilities and somehow it got nailbitingly close to him being up 2 sets to 1..from there it wouldn't have looked too rosy.

Judging by his level for the last, well, eternity, Kyrgios played exactly near his capabilities...

 

[Moxie]

I heard something about it... but haven't watched the videos or more importantly heard any audio. I obviously don't like racial slur but I must admit I liked the bomb comment. Must be my inner partigiano...

 

[Carol]

Federer said after the match: "during the match I thought that the surface was slower than last year but later I found out that I was a little slow, my legs were not working well and the balls are more heavy and it's not easy to play the first matches here but I have more things to improve inside of my backpack"
I have not any idea what his fans are expecting from this 38 years old player, they would be very happy that he is still playing well

 

[shawnbm]

The grass is a bit slower than the Sampras years, but it is more the bounce gets higher than it used to on this grass, which is more durable Year in and year out.

 

[Bonaca]

Yet Nadal won 15 matches in a row, RG 19 and just beaten both Federer + Djokovic in their last matches saintly much. Anyway Federer was not won major in 19 months so that makes you think he's going to win Wimbledon, it's Djokovic or Nadal event to win

Yes totally agree, let both reach the final! Would you put serious money on Nadal in that final?

 

[atttomole]

Federer said after the match: "during the match I thought that the surface was slower than last year but later I found out that I was a little slow, my legs were not working well and the balls are more heavy and it's not easy to play the first matches here but I have more things to improve inside of my backpack"
I have not any idea what his fans are expecting from this 38 years old player, they would be very happy that he is still playing well

Nothing new there. We have been saying this for some years because we know very well that he is not the same Roger we were watching 10 years ago. The thing with Roger is that he is so good that sometimes we have the illusion that he can win with his flair alone. Unfortunately, the physical part is also vital in tennis.

 

[monfed]

The grass is a bit slower than the Sampras years, but it is more the bounce gets higher than it used to on this grass, which is more durable Year in and year out.

Hey man look you can call it whatever you want, durable, strong, firm whatever, it's not a proper grass court. Not even comparable to 2008 let alone 2003/04/05 etc. Just because that topspin monkey gets bounced year after year on the fast grass of first week, doesn't mean they gotta change it. It's HE who needs to adapt and not the environment around him.

This is a fucking joke rigged sport. Everyone knows it. Fed is getting cheated out of slams and me and other Fed fans are fucking sick of it.