2019 Men's US Open Semifinals: Rafael Nadal vs. Matteo Berrettini

Who wins?

  • Nadal in five sets

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  • Berrettini in three sets

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  • Berrettini in five sets

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atttomole

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Why do you think it is low?
There are times when he hits continuously from the base line, often hitting straight at the opponent, instead of maybe slicing or hitting drop shots to give the opponent something to think about, and to see the different possibilities he has to negate his opponent’s game. In many of the rallies he shanks a lot. I think Nadal will exploit that because he can keep the ball on court and wait for Berrettini to implode.

However, if his serve on, he can try to overpower Nadal with his explosive forehand, but he will have to be consistent at that, to be able to compete with Nadal.

Some of may be due lack of experience, which may appear to be low tennis IQ.
 
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Why is Berretini's game "not suited" to do well against Nadal?
Too one dimensional and predictable, no variety, not enough consistency ( he will play against the ultimate tennis robot) and most important: right handed with average backhand.
Hope I’m wrong and you are right, but I would not bet a single dollar on matteo.
 

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There are times when he hits continuously from the base line, often hitting straight at the opponent, instead of maybe slicing or hitting drop shots to give the opponent something to think about, and to see the different possibilities he has to negate his opponent’s game.

I don't think you saw his match with Rublev, did you? He was using dropshots, lobs, and volleys to win points. He wasn't just hitting big forehands.

I think Nadal will exploit that because he can keep the ball on court and wait for Berrettini to implode.

Nadal is also likely to give him numerous sitting ducks to put away.

However, if his serve on, he can try to overpower Nadal with his explosive forehand but he will have to be consistent at that

I see no reason to believe that he won't be consistent with his forehand based on his level throughout the tournament. He has been hitting his forehand extremely well and with great assertiveness.
 
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I think the high ball will not be a problem. He is about 6 feet 5 inches in stature. His problem is most likely going to be getting involved in long points, which will tire him. He is also prone shanking during rallies.
I agree that he appears to have a very low tennis IQ.

Whoa. Didn't know he was that tall.
 

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It was Nadal's mostly moronic fanbase in 2009/2010 that turned me against him.

What a load of horse shit! You've always hated Nadal, and it only takes a cursory glance at any number of your posts today to see it. If you were only against his "base," you wouldn't call him "Gnatdal," for example. And you've never had any respect for his tennis or his talent, and you still don't, which is quite clear. You should just own that.

Lol.....goodness gracious. This is asinine on so many levels. First of all, the Rogers Cup match was played in windy connections that will not be a factor on Friday. Second, Federer at Wimbledon is a different animal than f-ing Nadal at the US Open (LOL). Federer's game matches up immaculately well with grass and he is the best grass court player of all time. The same cannot be said - to state this as politely as possible - with Nadal of all people on hardcourts. If this was Nadal at Roland Garros, your comparison would be apt, but it's not.

Third, the pattern with Nadal on hardcourts against numerous players (such as Blake or Nalbandian or Davydenko) is to get his ass kicked in initial meetings, and then to patch up some vulnerabilities in later matches to eek out tight wins. The fact that Nadal has no familiarity with Berretini aside from maybe practicing with him is a huge advantage to Berretini because if this is just a free-flowing mano a mano slugfest the Italian will at the least get the better of a lot of rallies.

I make a perfectly reasonable comment relating Medvedev's first meeting with Rafa 5 weeks ago, with Berrettini's first meeting with him tomorrow, and you call it "asinine." Great debating, there. And all of your back up is mostly bias and old news. (Blake, Nalbandian and Davydenko...seriously? I guess you've missed changes in Rafa's HC game.) Sure, Roger is a harder ask on grass that Rafa on HC, but not by as much as you claim, and certainly not for a newbie. You've ignored the fact that it took Berrettini 5 sets to beat Monfils, and have even claimed that will give him good practice for Nadal's game. Seriously? That seems a basic misunderstanding of Nadal's game. And of Monfils' game, too.

I could see why you'd be hopeful that nerves won't come into it, though they definitely did in the QF. But the Italian let Monfils off the hook any number of times, and which is really why it went 5. Do you really think that Rafa will be less likely to capitalize on let-offs, should it come to that, than Monfils? It's hard to think that nerves won't come into it. Berrettini has never played Nadal, never played on Ashe, never been to a SF of a Major, and was playing Challengers earlier this year. I'm not saying that he doesn't have game, but I don't think any of my points were irrational. Yours, however, kind of are. You're not the only one that likes the young Italian. I think we all do. But you overstate by a mile what he might be able to do, and why. Champion him, if you like, but sneering at others for taking a rather sanguine approach to the match-up tomorrow just demonstrates, once again, how you don't really understand tennis. Your approach is very emotional. You hang on to your loves and your hates, but you don't really watch with dispassion. I'm not saying that none of us have bias, but you take preferential myopathy to another level.
 

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Oh no, poor Berrettini… :facepalm: Now calitennis127 will wait in front of those restaurants in the hope of meeting him and asking him for marriage...
Listen, I've already confessed that Kskate and I would stalk him. The boy is cute. But you don't have to be a complete tool in absolutely every one of your posts, right? I thought the take away from that video is how he's navigating being contented with a new achievement, and yet wanting more, while just being in the moment. The other take away is that he has a carbonara tonight, he'll lose tomorrow. Too heavy. :lulz2:
 

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What a load of horse shit! You've always hated Nadal, and it only takes a cursory glance at any number of your posts today to see it.

You don't know what my views on Nadal pre-2009 were. I got into an argument with someone back in 2006/2007 on another board who told me I was completely insane for saying that Nadal could win a major off of clay.

If you were only against his "base," you wouldn't call him "Gnatdal," for example.

There are aspects of his game that I highly respect, and others that I don't think much of. Why can't it be a mixed bag?

And you've never had any respect for his tennis or his talent, and you still don't, which is quite clear. You should just own that.

I always complimented his inside-out forehand and his physical endurance.

I make a perfectly reasonable comment relating Medvedev's first meeting with Rafa 5 weeks ago, with Berrettini's first meeting with him tomorrow, and you call it "asinine."

Yes, and I stand by that characterization. But I did not merely call your remarks "asinine." I explained why I described them as such.

And all of your back up is mostly bias and old news. (Blake, Nalbandian and Davydenko...seriously? I guess you've missed changes in Rafa's HC game.)

Apparently the specifics of my argument went over your head, as usual. What I said specifically was that the usual pattern with Nadal against the better HC opponents is to get his ass kicked in initial match-ups and then make modifications to his strategy down the road to squeak out tight victories. That's exactly what he did with Blake. He got crushed the first 3 times they played and then he won their last 4 matches in 3 sets by modifying his approach.

Can you follow that?

Sure, Roger is a harder ask on grass that Rafa on HC, but not by as much as you claim,

Lol....it's not even comparable. Federer wins points on grass effortlessly because his serve, forehand, and slice are utterly perfect for grass-court tennis. Nadal cannot win points on hardcourts with anything approaching that level of ease. Your comparison is beyond ridiculous.

You've ignored the fact that it took Berrettini 5 sets to beat Monfils, and have even claimed that will give him good practice for Nadal's game. Seriously? That seems a basic misunderstanding of Nadal's game. And of Monfils' game, too.

Lmao.....I can't with you, sometimes I really can't. Your level of obliviousness at times is so comical that it is almost endearing.

Here you go, Moxie, let me explain this: when I am comparing Nadal to Monfils, I am not saying they are identical in every way. What I am saying is that they have one key similarity, which is movement at the back of the court and forcing their opponents to hit extra shots in prolonged rallies. By saying that, I am not saying that Nadal and Monfils are twins - no matter how much Nadalfan2013 may want to imagine the possibility. All I am saying is that they have one very key similarity.

I could see why you'd be hopeful that nerves won't come into it, though they definitely did in the QF. But the Italian let Monfils off the hook any number of times, and which is really why it went 5. Do you really think that Rafa will be less likely to capitalize on let-offs, should it come to that, than Monfils?

Monfils is not a dud. He was playing a very strong tournament and he can also hit flat. He played some great points when he was down. In some ways, he is a better match-up for Berretini than Nadal is because he does not hit moonballs that can be slapped around the court.

Berrettini has never played Nadal,

Yup, which means no psychological baggage, no clear gameplan from Nadal, and a lot of free-flowing rallies. This also isn't clay; it's a surface where Nadal is vulnerable to getting pelted without having prior exposure to big hitters who he does not have experience against.

I would say that Berretini not having played Nadal is more to his advantage than to his disadvantage.

never played on Ashe

Berretini just beat Monfils on Ashe. Are you losing it mentally like Joe Biden? What state are you in right now Moxie - New York or New Hampshire? Check your Google Maps app. It will tell you.

never been to a SF of a Major, and was playing Challengers earlier this year.

Sometimes playing Nadal on hardcourts is like playing a challenger, so Berretini has just the prep he needs.

You're not the only one that likes the young Italian. I think we all do. But you overstate by a mile what he might be able to do, and why.

We'll see.....enjoy the show tomorrow evening.

Your approach is very emotional. You hang on to your loves and your hates, but you don't really watch with dispassion. I'm not saying that none of us have bias, but you take preferential myopathy to another level.

This is the prototypical example of projection.....Moxie, please stop projecting.
 

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I really, really hope that @calitennis127 is right and that Berretini wins, but I really have almost zero hope of that happening. First I only saw two matches of the guy and was negatively impressed in both -- even if I know it is not a fair sample. One was Wimbledon's against Federer and the other against Monfils. I partially agree with Cali that Monfils is a good tune up pre-Nadal, but I surely do not agree with the "spirit" of the phrase that Monfils do not hit moonballs. Maybe "strictly speaking" he doesn't (his shots does not bounce that high as he lacks the spin), but he is the king of the neutral shots. Most of his shots are medium to slow paced shots more center court than anything else. So, yes, he likes to rally (and that is similar to Nadal), but his shots are way easier to handle than Nadal's.

IF Nadal is having a bad day and his shots are not deep (and when Nadal's shots are not deep, they usually also lack the spin), then Berretini could treat them the same way he treated Monfil's -- but even still he would have to be way more effective in converting them to winners. "Almost" winners does not count.

Speaking about counting, I lost count of how many times Nadal managed to easily beat someone who "on paper" should give him trouble, and that is why I have very little hope that he loses today.

But, if it is true that Berretini had a good pasta on the night before the match, than I like the guy a bit more. There is simply no situation in the world that a good spaghetti does not help to solve/overcome.
 
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But, if it is true that Berretini had a good pasta on the night before the match, than I like the guy a bit more. There is simply no situation in the world that a good spaghetti does not help to solve/overcome.
I have it on good authority that he was having Carbonara last night. :cool:
 

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There are times when he hits continuously from the base line, often hitting straight at the opponent, instead of maybe slicing or hitting drop shots to give the opponent something to think about, and to see the different possibilities he has to negate his opponent’s game. In many of the rallies he shanks a lot. I think Nadal will exploit that because he can keep the ball on court and wait for Berrettini to implode.

However, if his serve on, he can try to overpower Nadal with his explosive forehand, but he will have to be consistent at that, to be able to compete with Nadal.

Some of may be due lack of experience, which may appear to be low tennis IQ.
Based on what you just wrote, it is clear that you have not watched him enough.
He actually uses drop shots many times, surely above average. He slices as well from the BH enough.
I understand he was not on the radar much, I have not seen him either before Stuttgart this year, but since than I follow h closely.
He has more to his game than you give credit him.
 
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By winning today, Nadal would become only the 2nd player in history (with Federer) to reach at least 5 finals in each of the four slams. And some haters still dare to mention the word "non-clay". :cuckoo: