2018 Wimbledon men’s final: Djokovic v Anderson

[monfed]

whats with u and calling him faker? care to explain lol?

Crocodilovic fakes tiredness in the middle of the match to give his opponents false sense of security and then suddenly strikes like a crocodile when his opponent is not looking. Ask Murray if you have any doubts.

 

[DarthFed]

Novak never will be the same player like he was in 2011 and 15 for different reason that I rather not to mention.
Today he has not beaten Nadal, Nadal has beaten by himself for two clearly reasons, once because his serve in the fifth set wasn't too good and second because he finished that tie-break completely melted, tired, dead, otherwise he would have won the fifth set as easier as the fourth. Novak? he never is tired, he probably is the player with more resistance of the whole tour
By the way watching the replay when he was losing 3-5 has hitting so badly and with so much anger his feet with the racket that I hope tomorrow he won't have too much pain....

Oh please do mention the reasons he will never be the same as 2011 or 2015, I'd like to hear them. I hope this isn't another Nads fan accusing another player of doping!

 

[Moxie]

Oh please do mention the reasons he will never be the same as 2011 or 2015, I'd like to hear them. I hope this isn't another Nads fan accusing another player of doping!

Isn't this a bit rich from you? "Another" Nadal fan accusing someone of doping? When you and Front accuse Rafa all the time? And Front has accused Djokovic? Carol made a vague remark and you're all over it. You really do need to search your own soul if you're going to say what you just did. You make baseless insinuations all the time. At every opportunity. Likely, you read it as a doping insinuation because that's what you insinuate so often. Taste of your own medicine? You are absolutely in a glass house here, and throwing stones.

 

[DarthFed]

Isn't this a bit rich from you? "Another" Nadal fan accusing someone of doping? When you and Front accuse Rafa all the time? And Front has accused Djokovic? Carol made a vague remark and you're all over it. You really do need to search your own soul if you're going to say what you just did. You make baseless insinuations all the time. At every opportunity. Likely, you read it as a doping insinuation because that's what you insinuate so often. Taste of your own medicine? You are absolutely in a glass house here, and throwing stones.

I said I hope she isn't insinuating it, maybe she has some other reason for her secrecy regarding Djokovic. The reason I said "another" is that I know a certain absent Rafalite that loved to accuse Roger of it which is find highly amusing speaking of glass houses. And I need to search my own soul? Thanks for thinking I still have one of those

 

[Moxie]

I said I hope she isn't insinuating it, maybe she has some other reason for her secrecy regarding Djokovic. The reason I said "another" is that I know a certain absent Rafalite that loved to accuse Roger of it which is find highly amusing speaking of glass houses. And I need to search my own soul? Thanks for thinking I still have one of those

You don't get to keep quoting absent friends, especially when they are long-absent. Yes, you are in a glass house in your recent. And despite most evidence to the contrary, I believe that you do have a soul.

 

[Carol]

Oh please do mention the reasons he will never be the same as 2011 or 2015, I'd like to hear them. I hope this isn't another Nads fan accusing another player of doping!

I'm not accusing to anyone, I just say that Novak never will play like those years again. Now you can think whatever you want

 

[nehmeth]

I'll be pulling for Anderson. But I will say: may the best South African win. :lulz2:

That would have worked better for the Federer v. Anderson match. I was talking with my friends in SA about Kevin Anderson, when they reminded me of Roger's mother. Sadly I think they preferred Federer to be the "South African" in the final.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Here are the odds on this match as per the bookies.

1. Novak 1/5

2. Anderson 79/17

Works out to 83% chances for Novak and 17% chances for Anderson.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Now let me state my personal perception of what will happen in the finals.

First of all, I don't think Anderson would be affected too much by the lengthy match. It was not grueling and mostly serve fest.

As all of us feel, Novak's return was terrible in the SF and also he was mostly pushing the ball and never looked dominant, even though he won. If that Novak shows up, Anderson has a chance to win. It is because he has a good serve and weak returns would not do the job. Also, Anderson has decent baseline play to hang in with Novak, in case the point does not end by means of an Ace, Unreturned Serve, or 1-2 Punch.

Having said that, there is a reason why Novak was so tentative. He was not sure whether he had come back fully or not. He was not sure whether he can really win against Rafa. However, now that he has won, his confidence would be skyrocketing and his old game (i.e., good returning, DTL shots on both forehand and backhand side, no pushing) would come back to him. Even if it does not come back all the way, it will come back to the extent needed to win against KA fairly easily. You cannot underestimate what confidence (gained by beating a fellow member of big three in a GS at business end) can do to a man.

So, I go with Novak winning the match in 4 sets.

 

[Denis]

I’m surprised people are talking Novak down a lot. I mean I don’t think this is a given either, but that’s more because of what KA is been putting on the table lately. But Novak has been doing great as well. The negativity over the match with Nadal is absurd. I’ve never seen Nadal play so well on grass, but Novak prevailed in five sets. Even tho it was a tossup, you don’t do that by playing poorly. Pushing? Are u guys nuts?

Anyways I’m going with Novak in 4, and hoping KA doesn’t pull a Stan today.

 

[Mile]

Longer the match will be the biger is chance for Novak win, so i went Novak in 5 sets.

 

[Federberg]

I’m surprised people are talking Novak down a lot. I mean I don’t think this is a given either, but that’s more because of what KA is been putting on the table lately. But Novak has been doing great as well. The negativity over the match with Nadal is absurd. I’ve never seen Nadal play so well on grass, but Novak prevailed in five sets. Even tho it was a tossup, you don’t do that by playing poorly. Pushing? Are u guys nuts?

Anyways I’m going with Novak in 4, and hoping KA doesn’t pull a Stan today.

you've never seen Rafa play so well on grass? Have you only been watching him play Wimbledon over the last 5 years?

 

[DarthFed]

I’m surprised people are talking Novak down a lot. I mean I don’t think this is a given either, but that’s more because of what KA is been putting on the table lately. But Novak has been doing great as well. The negativity over the match with Nadal is absurd. I’ve never seen Nadal play so well on grass, but Novak prevailed in five sets. Even tho it was a tossup, you don’t do that by playing poorly. Pushing? Are u guys nuts?

Anyways I’m going with Novak in 4, and hoping KA doesn’t pull a Stan today.

Did you see the last two sets yesterday? Novak was doing a lot of pushing...a lot. Basically as soon as he got tight which happened fairly often. They both played well on Friday but they were both pretty bad yesterday.

 

[Front242]

Novak never will be the same player like he was in 2011 and 15 for different reason that I rather not to mention.
Today he has not beaten Nadal, Nadal has beaten by himself for two clearly reasons, once because his serve in the fifth set wasn't too good and second because he finished that tie-break completely melted, tired, dead, otherwise he would have won the fifth set as easier as the fourth. Novak? he never is tired, he probably is the player with more resistance of the whole tour
By the way watching the replay when he was losing 3-5 has hitting so badly and with so much anger his feet with the racket that I hope tomorrow he won't have too much pain....

Though I tend to agree, that's absolutely hilarious coming from a Nadal fan. The second bolded part is likewise fucking hilarious coming from a Nadal fan. To further elaborate on the hilarity of your claim that Novak is never tired, well, Nadal played a long 5 setter versus Del Potro before his semi and Novak played a very fast, short match against an injured Nishikori. Why exactly should Novak be tired?!

Guess who played 2 (!) long matches and was not tired? Hint: it wasn't Novak lol. Think before posting nonsense. Nadal is no different than Novak when it comes to stamina and actually if you've even been watching properly this year (which clearly you haven't!), stamina has been the very reason Novak has been losing matches that go the distance.

 

[Front242]

whats with u and calling him faker? care to explain lol?

Presume it's to do with him supposedly faking being exhausted. Thing is, Murray, Del Potro and Isner have the same sloth like head slouched moments too so it's a bit silly to single out only Novak imo.

 

[kskate2]

I give the slight edge to Kevin for 3 reasons:
- He had a day of rest yesterday and time to form a gameplan w/ his coach.
- He was up 2 sets on Novak here before. I'm sure they went back and watched that match to see what needs to be changed
- He''s been seeing a sports psychologist so I think he may be ready to take the next step in a GS final

 

[Front242]

I give the slight edge to Kevin for 3 reasons:
- He had a day of rest yesterday and time to form a gameplan w/ his coach.
- He was up 2 sets on Novak here before. I'm sure they went back and watched that match to see what needs to be changed
- He''s been seeing a sports psychologist so I think he may be ready to take the next step in a GS final

Yup, the more I think about it, I also think Anderson is going to win. The time he was up 2 sets to 0, he likely would have won if the match hadn't been postponed till the following day as it screwed his momentum and gave Novak's camp time to regroup and come up with a plan to win. Going by what we saw yesterday, I'm picking Anderson as the likely winner.

The grass is playing fast and the very high bounce doesn't suit Novak as much as it did Nadal. I can't imagine he'll feel too comfortable taking cracks at balls whizzing past non stop at shoulder height. If Anderson serves well, he wins imo as I can see Novak serving up a few dung heaps.

Another thing people may not realize is that Anderson actually returns pretty well for a big guy which puts further pressure on Novak's service games as Anderson himself is likely to usually hold his.

If this was the slowed down US Open, I'd favour Novak to win but, here, I'm thinking Anderson the more I consider everything, including their previous encounter here in 2015 when Novak was playing very well and was still down 2 sets to 0. He won the title, so he was clearly playing well, but just lucked out there big time that their match was postponed till the next day.

 

[Denis]

I give the slight edge to Kevin for 3 reasons:
- He had a day of rest yesterday and time to form a gameplan w/ his coach.
- He was up 2 sets on Novak here before. I'm sure they went back and watched that match to see what needs to be changed
- He''s been seeing a sports psychologist so I think he may be ready to take the next step in a GS final

Novak’s team will have done the same.

But Novak better be ready to move the big guy.

 

[Denis]

Players are on court. Are we having a live chat?

 

[Front242]

So, Novak is going for 13, lucky for some and not for others! We'll soon see which way 13 sides with him.