2018 AO Men's QF: Nadal - Cilic

[Andy22]

He doesn't deserve to win any hard court event more than 3 times. It'd be like me saying Roger is cursed at IW because he's only won it 5 times.

Still, A0 Federer placed a curse, on Nadal after crying like a baby at AO 09, thanks Federer.

 

[DarthFed]

Haha and Nadal cursed Federer for crying like a baby during the match vs Verdasco before the final. His countryman responded to this weakness by handing him the match with an easy break to lose it.

 

[Moxie]

He doesn't deserve to win any hard court event more than 3 times. It'd be like me saying Roger is cursed at IW because he's only won it 5 times.

No, it's more like your saying that Roger deserves to have won Wimbledon or the USO more than he has.

 

[DarthFed]

No, it's more like your saying that Roger deserves to have won Wimbledon or the USO more than he has.

Again with words in my mouth. I've never said he's deserved more, I've just said he's underperformed in crunch time there over the years, particularly the USO. I can't complain too much about Wimbledon, he's been awesome until the finals where he's played weak numerous times, sometimes in his wins even. USO is way different, total debacle vs Del Po, two chokes vs Nole, and many other head scratching losses. But he didn't "deserve" to do better.

 

[Moxie]

Again with words in my mouth. I've never said he's deserved more, I've just said he's underperformed in crunch time there over the years, particularly the USO. I can't complain too much about Wimbledon, he's been awesome until the finals where he's played weak numerous times, sometimes in his wins even. USO is way different, total debacle vs Del Po, two chokes vs Nole, and many other head scratching losses. But he didn't "deserve" to do better.

It's a bit of a fine point, though, as we debate these things. I don't mean to put words in your mouth, but when you complain endlessly that he should have done better, that he's "underperformed," you are saying that other players should have lost. They didn't, and he did. And yet it irks you if Nadal fans do the same. I'm sorry, but I don't see the difference, in terms of fandom.

 

[Andy22]

Haha and Nadal cursed Federer for crying like a baby during the match vs Verdasco before the final. His countryman responded to this weakness by handing him the match with an easy break to lose it.

Again with words in my mouth. I've never said he's deserved more, I've just said he's underperformed in crunch time there over the years, particularly the USO. I can't complain too much about Wimbledon, he's been awesome until the finals where he's played weak numerous times, sometimes in his wins even. USO is way different, total debacle vs Del Po, two chokes vs Nole, and many other head scratching losses. But he didn't "deserve" to do better.

Maybe Federer could have had 6 USO titles, instead of 5, but his just sucked for the past 10 years. If he played Nadal he would have lost. Plus Nadal Should have won 4 AO titles

 

[I.Haychew]

[QUOTE="Nadal goat2, post: 328762, member: 1645 Nadal Should have won 4 AO titles[/QUOTE]

If only he wasn't "cursed" all those years.

 

[DarthFed]

Maybe Federer could have had 6 USO titles, instead of 5, but his just sucked for the past 10 years. If he played Nadal he would have lost. Plus Nadal Should have won 4 AO titles

If we are going off true abilities on HC then you'd have Roger and Nole splitting the last 20 HC majors in some way. Rafa having 4 on HC is a big enough embarrassment to the far superior HC players (Fed and Djoker)

 

[Andy22]

If we are going off true abilities on HC then you'd have Roger and Nole splitting the last 20 HC majors in some way. Rafa having 4 on HC is a big enough embarrassment to the far superior HC players (Fed and Djoker)

If we are going off true abilities on HC then you'd have Roger and Nole splitting the last 20 HC majors in some way. Rafa having 4 on HC is a big enough embarrassment to the far superior HC players (Fed and Djoker)

More like superior, but not far superior, if not for Nadal injury's he would have more titles on hard courts, maybe 8 HC slams.

 

[DarthFed]

Or if Federer wasn't injured in 2013, 2016, 2017, and sick in 2008 he'd have a bunch more slams too. See how that game works?

 

[Andy22]

I see fair to say nadal and Federer could have more slams even if Nadal had more injurys, curses. Wonder that would have happen had A 100% fit Nadal played Federer at Wimbledon 09, maybe the some as 08.

 

[DarthFed]

Nadal should have more injuries than Roger, way way way more physical game needed to be competitive. Roger has had worse luck than Nadal relatively speaking.

 

[Andy22]

Federer had worst luck than Nadal you, must have been joking then you said that,

 

[DarthFed]

Let's just say it is an arguable point. Federer' game is a lot more effortless, his movement and the way he strikes the ball compared to Nadal. It'd be incredibly bad luck if he was injured anywhere near as much as Rafa.

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

Let's just say it is an arguable point. Federer' game is a lot more effortless, his movement and the way he strikes the ball compared to Nadal. It'd be incredibly bad luck if he was injured anywhere near as much as Rafa.

More than Federers injuries(back in 2013 also a recurring issue and knee in 2016)which can happen in a long career ,his illnesses are very unlucky most prominently mono in 2008 and to a lesser extent lung issues in 2010.

 

[DarthFed]

I didn't know he had any lung issues in 2010, but mono was bad luck, similar to Rafa's appendicitis.

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

I didn't know he had any lung issues in 2010, but mono was bad luck, similar to Rafa's appendicitis.

Just after winning Aus Open -

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2010/feb/21/roger-federer-dubai

 

[Andy22]

Federer lungs is not why he sucked after winning A010, Nadal just went to god level tennis.

 

[DarthFed]

Federer lungs is not why he sucked after winning A010, Nadal just went to god level tennis.

I don't think it was lungs, back or anything else. And it certainly wasn't Nadal as Fed lost at slams to Sod, Berd, and a mediocre Djokovic. He was awful in 2010 after winning Aus. My theory is an understandable drop in motivation and being out of his prime.

Even in Rafa's best years he didn't win YEC. 2010 is maybe a top 6 or 7 season in the Open Era, 2013 is not even close.

 

[Andy22]

I don't think it was lungs, back or anything else. And it certainly wasn't Nadal as Fed lost at slams to Sod, Berd, and a mediocre Djokovic. He was awful in 2010 after winning Aus. My theory is an understandable drop in motivation and being out of his prime.

Even in Rafa's best years he didn't win YEC. 2010 is maybe a top 6 or 7 season in the Open Era, 2013 is not even close.

Nadal won slams on all 3 Surfaces in the some season the only male player to ever do that, its clearly the greatest seasons in tennis history or at least top 2. 2013 was top five. Nadal did the Us open series triple, Montreal, CM, USO.