2017 US Open Final: Nadal vs. Anderson

[Moxie]

Chronic tendonitis? Lol. He hasn't had a knee issue since at least 2012, note the at least part there

Read Broken's and respond to that, then. I agree that Rafa's legs have been good, but if you don't think he has chronic knee issues, then I'll stop believing that Federer's back is a source of chronic/potential pain. They are professional athletes that have put a lot of wear and tear on their bodies. Each has an Achilles heel. Do I think it hampers them all the time? No. Do I think that they wake up creaky in their respective vulnerable areas sometimes? Yes.

 

[Carol]

Playing to whom Roger got a MTO, Feli or Khosl or whatever is his name?

 

[the AntiPusher]

Chronic tendonitis? Lol. He hasn't had a knee issue since at least 2012, note the at least part there

Darth...the damn colder temps have been very troublesome Rafa Every year..tendonitis doesn't go away..all you can do is try to strengthen the ligaments and the muscles in the knee area plus take antiflamations to manage the pain and stiffness ..come on fella, you know that

 

[DarthFed]

He took an MTO vs. Koleslaw when he was up 2 sets. Don't worry, I'd say he has a ways to catch up to Nadal's youthful days of MTO's when he was losing.

 

[Carol]

With the MTO in the last AO final (fifth set) and this last one he already has catch up Rafa and passing him too

 

[DarthFed]

I loved the one against Rafa at AO. He has at least 3 more to make up for Rafa's vs. him over the years. And overall, he's still far off the pace despite being 5 years older.

 

[I.Haychew]

Not happy about the result. But still...Congrats to Nadal!

 

[brokenshoelace]

Please do touch on 2015, he missed some of Fall. You, me, and even his mom knows he would've gotten his ass beaten down there with the way he was playing that year and his lack of game indoors as is.

Yes, he missed RG and that's obviously huge and then Wimbledon sparing him another humiliation, and then he cut the season short after Beijing. Who knows how much the wrist was an issue, he may have just been wise to shut it down. Similar to what I hope Roger does this year.

So you basically got one season semi-deralied by injury and then 2 seasons where he didn't have any real issues.

Lol, I forgot he missed Wimbledon last year. So that's two majors he had to either withdraw from or miss entirely, before shutting down the season early, and you're seriously arguing he was "mostly healthy"?

I don't care if he would have gotten his ass kicked. Nobody's saying he would have won if he played. I'm saying he obviously was not close to relatively healthy last year. TWO freaking majors. Are you seriously ignoring that these injuries mean taking time off and having to recover, working extra hard to regain fitness AND struggling to rediscover your level? So Nadal would have lost to Djokovic at RG, lost to a nobody at Wimbledon, and lost to anyone in the fall so the injuries don't matter... that's your argument, while ignoring everything else that comes with injuries in terms of mental and physical stress, lack of confidence, etc...

 

[DarthFed]

Lol, I forgot he missed Wimbledon last year. So that's two majors he had to either withdraw from or miss entirely, before shutting down the season early, and you're seriously arguing he was "mostly healthy"?

I don't care if he would have gotten his ass kicked. Nobody's saying he would have won if he played. I'm saying he obviously was not close to relatively healthy last year. TWO freaking majors. Are you seriously ignoring that these injuries mean taking time off and having to recover, working extra hard to regain fitness AND struggling to rediscover your level? So Nadal would have lost to Djokovic at RG, lost to a nobody at Wimbledon, and lost to anyone in the fall so the injuries don't matter... that's your argument, while ignoring everything else that comes with injuries in terms of mental and physical stress, lack of confidence, etc...

The original comment was that he's mostly been healthy over the past few years. I don't think you can blame injuries much for his piss poor 2016 is all I'm saying (and you can't blame it at all for 2015). He was healthy until RG and obviously that sucked for him because he did have a chance there albeit small vs Novak. Then he played poorly when he came back and was smart to shut it down early last year because what did he really have to play for? I'd say recent history shows it's good to rest a lot when you're getting old and have a nagging injury. It's well known that Roger could've played out 2016 but I'm glad he didn't.

 

[Front242]

With the MTO in the last AO final (fifth set) and this last one he already has catch up Rafa and passing him too

Roger had taken 6 months off and come back after knee surgery with only Hopman Cup as practice. He then played 3 tough 5 set matches at the AO at the age of 35. Common sense would be that he would be a bit stiff rushing back into a slam. Nadal skipped a slam cos of a sore tummy in 2013.

 

[Carol]

Federer didn't look a bit stiff rushing back into a slam and if he needed to take a MTO then why he got mad when Nishi did it?. Nadal came back to play after 7 months off and besides that he got a stomach virus a few days before the AO started. Any problem to get a virus or I have to remind you that Roger got it in Miami Open 2016?

 

[Moxie]

Federer didn't look a bit stiff rushing back into a slam and if he needed to take a MTO then why he got mad when Nishi did it?. Nadal came back to play after 7 months off and besides that he got a stomach virus a few days before the AO started. Any problem to get a virus or I have to remind you that Roger got it in Miami Open 2016?

I don't think that's right about Nadal's virus and the AO. I don't really know why Front and Darth obsess over it so much, but as I remember, Rafa got sick before his tune-up to the AO and couldn't play it and so decided he was unprepared/not fit for a Major, i.e. the AO. For a couple of guys who are slamming Roger for playing Montreal with too little preparation, it seems inconsistent that the disparage Rafa for declining to play the AO when he felt he'd had no prep for a best 3 of 5 event.

 

[Front242]

Federer didn't look a bit stiff rushing back into a slam and if he needed to take a MTO then why he got mad when Nishi did it?. Nadal came back to play after 7 months off and besides that he got a stomach virus a few days before the AO started. Any problem to get a virus or I have to remind you that Roger got it in Miami Open 2016?

Roger had a groin strain in the AO 2017 so it was no surprise he had a few rub downs and was clearly a bit stiff against Stan in the set he lost 6-1. Nadal got his stomach virus before the Abu Dhabi exhibition which was over 3 weeks before the AO started. Hence why myself and Darth commented on it clearly being a wimp out.

 

[Front242]

The voting poll here needs a programming fix cos I voted Nadal in 3 earlier today

 

[Carol]

As clear as crystal

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/te...ael-Nadal-withdraws-due-to-stomach-virus.html

 

[DarthFed]

As clear as crystal

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/te...ael-Nadal-withdraws-due-to-stomach-virus.html

Yep, not suspicious at all. I sure hope Fed doesn't get a paper cut in December, wouldn't want him to pull a Wafa and withdraw from the AO a few weeks out.

 

[Moxie]

Roger had a groin strain in the AO 2017 so it was no surprise he had a few rub downs and was clearly a bit stiff against Stan in the set he lost 6-1. Nadal got his stomach virus before the Abu Dhabi exhibition which was over 3 weeks before the AO started. Hence why myself and Darth commented on it clearly being a wimp out.

Given how you rarely miss an opportunity to throw in a rude remark, it is all I can do to contain myself, given all the softballs you threw in the above post. :lulz2:

 

[brokenshoelace]

The original comment was that he's mostly been healthy over the past few years. I don't think you can blame injuries much for his piss poor 2016 is all I'm saying (and you can't blame it at all for 2015). He was healthy until RG and obviously that sucked for him because he did have a chance there albeit small vs Novak. Then he played poorly when he came back and was smart to shut it down early last year because what did he really have to play for? I'd say recent history shows it's good to rest a lot when you're getting old and have a nagging injury. It's well known that Roger could've played out 2016 but I'm glad he didn't.

I totally blame the 2014 back injury for the piss poor start to 2015, and it was a snowball effect from there throughout the year with each loss leading to a further lack in confidence. Or do injuries reset at the beginning of a season and thus the back problems that hampered him on and off in 2014 + wrist injury disappear after the new year?

I agree that he was very smart to pull the plug on last season and focus on working hard in the off season though. It totally rejuvenated his career.