2015 Shanghai Masters 1000

[Fiero425]

Now he will probably finish #3 behind Murray...weak

Even though I'm no fan of Murray's, it only makes sense for him to finish #2 with his results; 2 Masters wins and victory over both Nadal and Djokovic! Roger made 2 major finals, but got smoked in both by Nole! Looks as if it will come down to Paris and the YEC for bragging rights as #2 in the world! :nono :angel: :dodgy: :clap

 

[DarthFed]

They should be neck and neck, just pointing out that Roger should be doing better than Murray. The two early losses at slams and then today hurts. Either way, neither did much this year. It was a lot of Nole and a little bit of Stan.

 

[bajana]

Now he will probably finish #3 behind Murray...weak

Even though I'm no fan of Murray's, it only makes sense for him to finish #2 with his results; 2 Masters wins and victory over both Nadal and Djokovic! Roger made 2 major finals, but got smoked in both by Nole! Looks as if it will come down to Paris and the YEC for bragging rights as #2 in the world! :nono :angel: :dodgy: :clap

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Roger did have a masters win over Djokovic. Just curious, masters' wins and wins, period, only count for Murray but not for Fed?

And what if he finishes 3rd? You expect him to be constantly at #1 or #2 forever?

And it's not like he didn't have 2 back to back R1 losses (not counting Bye) at the height of his powers - vs Canas

 

[Fiero425]

Now he will probably finish #3 behind Murray...weak

Even though I'm no fan of Murray's, it only makes sense for him to finish #2 with his results; 2 Masters wins and victory over both Nadal and Djokovic! Roger made 2 major finals, but got smoked in both by Nole! Looks as if it will come down to Paris and the YEC for bragging rights as #2 in the world! :nono :angel: :dodgy: :clap

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Roger did have a masters win over Djokovic. Just curious, masters' wins and wins, period, only count for Murray but not for Fed?

And what if he finishes 3rd? You expect him to be constantly at #1 or #2 forever?

And it's not like he didn't have 2 back to back R1 losses (not counting Bye) at the height of his powers - vs Canas

Murray's results were a little more impressive and was way ahead of Roger all season on "this years points!" Roger's were more carryover from last year and lagged behind until recently; was #6 a few months ago!

 

[Kirijax]

Tuesday's Results!

Round 1
A Ramos-Vinolas (ESP) bt (2) R Federer (SUI) 7-6(4), 2-6, 6-3
M Raonic (CAN) (9) bt T Bellucci (BRA) 7-6(5), 7-6(2)
G Simon (FRA) (10) bt N Basilashvili (GEO) 6-3, 4-6, 6-0
R Gasquet (FRA) (11) bt G Muller (LUX) 7-6(4), 6-2
K Anderson (RSA) (12) bt T Haas (GER) 6-3, 7-5
M Cilic (CRO) (14) bt B Coric (CRO) 6-1, 6-2
J Tsonga (FRA) (16) bt V Estrella Burgos (DOM) 6-3, 6-2
V Pospisil (CAN) bt S Bolelli (ITA) 6-3, 6-4
D Goffin (BEL) bt G Soeda (JPN) 6-4, 6-2
J Sock (USA) bt L Kubot (POL) 6-4, 6-2
V Troicki (SRB) bt P Cuevas (URU) 2-6, 6-4, 6-4
F Fognini (ITA) bt J Sousa (POR) 7-6(2), 6-3

Nobody saw that Federer upset coming. Wow. Opens up the way for Nishikori and Murray!

 

[Riotbeard]

Even though I'm no fan of Murray's, it only makes sense for him to finish #2 with his results; 2 Masters wins and victory over both Nadal and Djokovic! Roger made 2 major finals, but got smoked in both by Nole! Looks as if it will come down to Paris and the YEC for bragging rights as #2 in the world! :nono :angel: :dodgy: :clap

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Roger did have a masters win over Djokovic. Just curious, masters' wins and wins, period, only count for Murray but not for Fed?

And what if he finishes 3rd? You expect him to be constantly at #1 or #2 forever?

And it's not like he didn't have 2 back to back R1 losses (not counting Bye) at the height of his powers - vs Canas

Murray's results were a little more impressive and was way ahead of Roger all season on "this years points!" Roger's were more carryover from last year and lagged behind until recently; was #6 a few months ago!

Maybe in terms of consistency, but I would say with 2 slam finals Roger was ahead of Murray at the biggest tournaments, and also owned Murray in H2H this year.

 

[isabelle]

What did happen to Mr Vavrinec ? Was he injured ? Did he play so bad ? Couldn't see the match but I wonder what happened to him

 

[bajana]

What did happen to Mr Vavrinec ? Was he injured ? Did he play so bad ? Couldn't see the match but I wonder what happened to him

No, that would have been Mrs Monaco

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Even if the court was slow as mud, Roger should have been able to dispose of Ramos who was a qualifier here ...well Murray might have an easy path to hold onto the #2 for some time.

This is not actually unusual for Roger. Roger comes to this tourney after a long lay off and tends to be rusty. Many of you might have forgotten it, but last year in the very first match (I think against Leonardo Meyer), Roger saved five match points before going to win the entire tourney.

Also, Roger typically comes to this tourney by himself (and misses the family and wants to go home quickly :snicker). Finally, Roger won this tourney for the first time last year (even though he won it
twice when it was WTF at Shanghai).

Finally, when you play a qualifier things are always tricky as the other guy has played two matches
on this surface and won whereas you are off for two months. So, I am not alarmed about Roger's performance.

As for the rankings, Murray has a good chance of finishing YE #2 now as Roger has more points to defend I think. Roger needs to defend 500 points from Basel and a 1000 points from WTF.

Finally, Roger is not going to enter extra tourneys or fight hard for the #2 spot. If the fight was for #1, Roger might care and give a good fight. But, for some one who has been at #1 for so long, it really does not matter whether he is called #2 or #3 (although it would seriously hurt Roger's
chances at AO).

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Tignor's Jinxing day are gone. This year he has been predicting the winner quite successfully.
He has spoken about Shanghai :clap

Oh, Tignor, you are brutal cry:cover

 

[nehmeth]

Even if the court was slow as mud, Roger should have been able to dispose of Ramos who was a qualifier here ...well Murray might have an easy path to hold onto the #2 for some time.

This is not actually unusual for Roger. Roger comes to this tourney after a long lay off and tends to be rusty. Many of you might have forgotten it, but last year in the very first match (I think against Leonardo Meyer), Roger saved five match points before going to win the entire tourney.

C'mon! He skipped Roger's Cup this year and won Cinci, beating Novak in the final! :nono

I'd say it's more lack of motivation and missing the family.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Andy has 500 points to defend in Valencia and 250 points to defend in Vienna. He has said that he will not be playing in those two events.

Federer has 500 points to defend in Basel, but he is playing there.

Both have equal amount (180) to defend in Bercy.

In WTF, Fed has 1000 points to defend whereas Andy has a meagre 200.

Assuming Andy loses to Novak in Semis at Shanghai, Andy will lead Fed by just 330 points.

Considering all these, bottom line is Fed has to outperform Andy by 880 points during the rest of
the season to get back #2 ranking. Each has three events left after Shanghai . Fed has Basel, Paris and WTF. Andy has Paris, WTF and DC.

 

[Fiero425]

Andy has 500 points to defend in Valencia and 250 points to defend in Vienna. He has said that he will not be playing in those two events.

Federer has 500 points to defend in Basel, but he is playing there.

Both have equal amount (180) to defend in Bercy.

In WTF, Fed has 1000 points to defend whereas Andy has a meagre 200.

Assuming Andy loses to Novak in Semis at Shanghai, Andy will lead Fed by just 330 points.
Considering all of the above, it is going to be a neck and neck race for #2, though with neither player actively trying to grab it

That's why I said it'll probably come down to the YEC; if Murray puts effort into it! He may be saving himself for DC!

 

[Carol]

I haven't watched the match Ramos-Federer but I've read that Ramos has played very good (it's about time). pablik89 if you are around I'd love to see the vid, thanks in advance!

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Andy has 500 points to defend in Valencia and 250 points to defend in Vienna. He has said that he will not be playing in those two events.

Federer has 500 points to defend in Basel, but he is playing there.

Both have equal amount (180) to defend in Bercy.

In WTF, Fed has 1000 points to defend whereas Andy has a meagre 200.

Assuming Andy loses to Novak in Semis at Shanghai, Andy will lead Fed by just 330 points.
Considering all of the above, it is going to be a neck and neck race for #2, though with neither player actively trying to grab it

That's why I said it'll probably come down to the YEC; if Murray puts effort into it! He may be saving himself for DC!

The penalty for missing WTF for reasons other than injury includes a potential ban from entering any ATP tourney in the following year. That is a big threat. So, Andy will surely play in WTF. But, Andy has indicated that the week before WTF he will be practicing on clay thus jeopardizing his chances at WTF as winning DC is his priority.

 

[Front242]

Well, I was at work but must have been some mighty good SABR from Rodge today. SABR - Sayonara, Adios, Bye, Roger.

He said Ramos played well so good going. Not a great finish to the year ranking wise for Roger though.

 

[Fiero425]

Well, I was at work but must have been some mighty good SABR from Rodge today. SABR - Sayonara, Adios, Bye, Roger.

He said Ramos played well so good going. Not a great finish to the year ranking wise for Roger though.

Call me "OLD," but this is how it typically has been historically! The better players were "done" by this time of the season and were easily susceptible to upsets! Look at the record; winners like Tsonga, Davydenko, Enqvist, and Nalbandian OTTH! We've been spoiled with 3 great players who always seem "to be right there" at every major event! Bout time someone lost early beside Nadal and Murray! :angel: :dodgy:

 

[Front242]

If the court is as slow as Beijing I'm not really surprised. Well, I'm still surprised but if it's playing slow and after a few weeks off Roger would much rather a faster court that allows for more winners. Seems a few of the courts are slower than last year. Just hope the WTF isn't terribly slow this year.

 

[Kieran]

I don't get this trend towards slower courts. They should be speeding them up. We have enough baseline rallies in the game, time to increase the speed!

 

[Fiero425]

I don't get this trend towards slower courts. They should be speeding them up. We have enough baseline rallies in the game, time to increase the speed!

Maybe it's to hasten the old men out of the tour; too many geezers in their 30's! lol! :angel: :dodgy: