2013 Beijing SF: Nadal vs. Berdych

[NADAL2005RG]

Berdych and Ferrer

Kind of, but the 2011 AO loss was very annoying (Nadal going for The Rafa Slam and Ferrer....). Whereas even if Nadal is injured, I'm still confident that Nadal beats Berdych.

Nadal is not beating anyone professional with just one healthy hamstring, like against David at the AO.

Oh yeah? :lolz:

I am not quite getting you...Have you ever played tennis on one leg? Nadal had one healthy leg that day and any player who is a pro would have beaten him that day. he did not run for anything.

Have I played tennis with only one healthy hamstring? Yes, I have. So has Nadal. Nadal was still able to run at a decent speed in that Ferrer match. The problem was not the speed of his run, but rather his change of direction. Ferrer has a habit of extending the points obviously, far more than Berdych. It really depends on the opponent, and what that opponent makes you do. That's tennis.

And I saw Nadal hang in after a quad injury during the 2007 Wimbledon final and play at a decent level, despite the loss. I also saw Nadal play 2011 Wimbledon with a severely injured foot which began in the Del Potro match and would end up costing him many weeks of training leading up to the US Open, prompting Nadal to say he wasn't ready physically for the US Open but would try. Not surprisingly he ran out of stamina in the 4th set of the USO final.

 

[Front242]

Kind of, but the 2011 AO loss was very annoying (Nadal going for The Rafa Slam and Ferrer....). Whereas even if Nadal is injured, I'm still confident that Nadal beats Berdych.

Nadal is not beating anyone professional with just one healthy hamstring, like against David at the AO.

Oh yeah? :lolz:

I am not quite getting you...Have you ever played tennis on one leg? Nadal had one healthy leg that day and any player who is a pro would have beaten him that day. he did not run for anything.

Have I played tennis with only one healthy hamstring? Yes, I have. So has Nadal. Nadal was still able to run at a decent speed in that Ferrer match. The problem was not the speed of his run, but rather his change of direction. Ferrer has a habit of extending the points obviously, far more than Berdych. It really depends on the opponent, and what that opponent makes you do. That's tennis.

And I saw Nadal hang in after a quad injury during the 2007 Wimbledon final and play at a decent level, despite the loss. I also saw Nadal play 2011 Wimbledon with a severely injured foot which began in the Del Potro match and would end up costing him many weeks of training leading up to the US Open, prompting Nadal to say he wasn't ready physically for the US Open but would try. Not surprisingly he ran out of stamina in the 4th set of the USO final.

Severely injured foot?! ROFL! That's hilarious. Nadal is a drama queen. Everyone knows this. That was not a severely injured foot by any means.

 

[Kieran]

Severely injured foot?! ROFL! That's hilarious. Nadal is a drama queen. Everyone knows this. That was not a severely injured foot by any means.

And you're an expert on Rafa's injuries, we know that from past history... :lolz:

 

[Front242]

Severely injured foot?! ROFL! That's hilarious. Nadal is a drama queen. Everyone knows this. That was not a severely injured foot by any means.

And you're an expert on Rafa's injuries, we know that from past history... :lolz:

Yeah. So tell me his foot was severely injured at Wimbledon 2011. Seriously..

 

[Kieran]

Severely injured foot?! ROFL! That's hilarious. Nadal is a drama queen. Everyone knows this. That was not a severely injured foot by any means.

And you're an expert on Rafa's injuries, we know that from past history... :lolz:

Yeah. So tell me his foot was severely injured at Wimbledon 2011. Seriously..

Well, I don't know about that one. I never heard it before. I wouldn't take that post at face value and criticise Nadal for it, though...

 

[Front242]

Severely injured foot?! ROFL! That's hilarious. Nadal is a drama queen. Everyone knows this. That was not a severely injured foot by any means.

And you're an expert on Rafa's injuries, we know that from past history... :lolz:

Yeah. So tell me his foot was severely injured at Wimbledon 2011. Seriously..

Well, I don't know about that one. I never heard it before. I wouldn't take that post at face value and criticise Nadal for it, though...

He's shown himself as a drama queen for many things over the years so I wasn't labelling him a drama queen over that. Suffice to say, "severely injured foot" was a laughable thing to bring up and this wasn't aimed at you anyway as I was replying to NADAL2005RG. It's just another sore loser comment by a Nadal fan who just can't accept the guy can lose. Basically his comment is an attempt at excusing not only the Wimbledon 2011 final but also the US Open 2011 final! Unreal.

 

[Front242]

And for the record, at the US open 2011 he lost against an opponent serving like Sara Errani in the 4th set!

 

[Kieran]

He played four matches in five days at the US Open in 2011, he was knackered in the fourth. Typical US Open scheduling feck up. But he was also trounced in the first two sets and Novak wasn't in great nick in the fourth either. No complaints about that one.

He's only a drama queen to those who don't like him.

I think the match starts at 8am Irish time - so I'm gonna hit my leaba: vamos!

 

[Front242]

He played four matches in five days at the US Open in 2011, he was knackered in the fourth. Typical US Open scheduling feck up. But he was also trounced in the first two sets and Novak wasn't in great nick in the fourth either. No complaints about that one.

He's only a drama queen to those who don't like him.

I think the match starts at 8am Irish time - so I'm gonna hit my leaba: vamos!

Well knackered is a better excuse than out of stamina because he couldn't train from his "severely injured foot" from Wimbledon alright! Yeah, the US Open scheduling has been a joke many times in the past but it's the same for a lot of the players not just Nadal. I thought it started at 9am. doh! Have to get up at 8 so!

PS: Even Broken admits Nadal is a drama queen and pretty sure he likes him! Anyway, enjoy the match. I haven't watched tennis since the US Open so hopefully it'll be a decent match.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

Kind of, but the 2011 AO loss was very annoying (Nadal going for The Rafa Slam and Ferrer....). Whereas even if Nadal is injured, I'm still confident that Nadal beats Berdych.

Nadal is not beating anyone professional with just one healthy hamstring, like against David at the AO.

Oh yeah? :lolz:

I am not quite getting you...Have you ever played tennis on one leg? Nadal had one healthy leg that day and any player who is a pro would have beaten him that day. he did not run for anything.

Have I played tennis with only one healthy hamstring? Yes, I have. So has Nadal. Nadal was still able to run at a decent speed in that Ferrer match. The problem was not the speed of his run, but rather his change of direction. Ferrer has a habit of extending the points obviously, far more than Berdych. It really depends on the opponent, and what that opponent makes you do. That's tennis.

I do not remember where I ever mentioned "speed" as the reason, or the sole reason. He had a hamstring injury. Like you mentioned, changing direction was an issue. Starting and stopping was an issue. Not being able to get the push for the serve was an issue. He let go so many balls that day that on a normal day he would defend with his life...

Again, he was losing that day, Ferrer or not, that's my point. Also, if it was not Ferrer across the net that day, I have a strong suspicion Nadal would have retired . He did not want to do that against David. I remember him mentioning something to that effect at a presser later on but I don't have a link or anything.

 

[Moxie]

Nadal is not beating anyone professional with just one healthy hamstring, like against David at the AO.

Oh yeah? :lolz:

I am not quite getting you...Have you ever played tennis on one leg? Nadal had one healthy leg that day and any player who is a pro would have beaten him that day. he did not run for anything.

Have I played tennis with only one healthy hamstring? Yes, I have. So has Nadal. Nadal was still able to run at a decent speed in that Ferrer match. The problem was not the speed of his run, but rather his change of direction. Ferrer has a habit of extending the points obviously, far more than Berdych. It really depends on the opponent, and what that opponent makes you do. That's tennis.

And I saw Nadal hang in after a quad injury during the 2007 Wimbledon final and play at a decent level, despite the loss. I also saw Nadal play 2011 Wimbledon with a severely injured foot which began in the Del Potro match and would end up costing him many weeks of training leading up to the US Open, prompting Nadal to say he wasn't ready physically for the US Open but would try. Not surprisingly he ran out of stamina in the 4th set of the USO final.

Severely injured foot?! ROFL! That's hilarious. Nadal is a drama queen. Everyone knows this. That was not a severely injured foot by any means.

You guys ain't been payin' attention. Nadal has a congential foot/ankle problem which almost ended his career before it started. It's why he didn't play RG 2004. You can read about it here.

I will say that Nadal can be a 'drama queen' to his fans, when he lets things get to the precipice before winning. As far as his body, he has had serious and career-threatening injuries, so I don't think it's surprising that he'd be cautious. Athletes make their living on their bodies...why shouldn't they be careful?

 

[brokenshoelace]

And I saw Nadal hang in after a quad injury during the 2007 Wimbledon final and play at a decent level, despite the loss.

He lost 6-2 in the 5th after his knee injury. He'll play a decent level, but he'll lose, which is the point that is being made.

 

[brokenshoelace]

PS: Even Broken admits Nadal is a drama queen and pretty sure he likes him!

When it comes to injuries, he is, yes (and when it comes to the schedule). But you gotta take into account WHY he is a drama queen. It's probably his history of injuries that has made him that way, so he's become paranoid. Yeah, I've seen Nadal freak out over minor nuisances (a shoulder injury against Berdych at Miami in 2011, which prompted an infamous "18 holes of golf" debate on the old forums). But "drama queen" and "legit injury" aren't mutually exclusive. He could be injured for real AND be a drama queen about it.

I wouldn't call the foot injury against Del Potro "a severely injured foot" though, but then again, I can't claim to know the extent of his pain. It didn't seem to stop him from playing great tennis against Fish and Murray in the subsequent matches. But, in that particular moment, when Nadal felt the pain, I'm sure it was legit since he had just hit an forehand winner to get a set point, and it made no sense for him to halt his own momentum by milking an injury.