US Politics Thread

[Federberg]

ok so I was just listening to someone ranting about this Save Act and what it's trying to do about voting. It's much much more than voter ID, which I was trying to say is reasonable. The rest of the stuff is a blatant attempt at election tampering

 

[Murat B.]

ok so I was just listening to someone ranting about this Save Act and what it's trying to do about voting. It's much much more than voter ID, which I was trying to say is reasonable. The rest of the stuff is a blatant attempt at election tampering

Nah, not true. It is asking people to take a bit of action to keep their democracy safe, like almost all civilized democratic countries. It takes a bit of effort. If a 70 year old woman in eastern Turkey in winter can show up with an id and line up at -30 Celcius in the dead of morning , a fucking US citizen can do it too.
Election tempering is letting millions of people illegally, no questions asked in a country, making them comfortable and making sure they vote "correctly" when the time comes. It is a long game.

 

[Moxie]

Nah, not true. It is asking people to take a bit of action to keep their democracy safe, like almost all civilized democratic countries. It takes a bit of effort. If a 70 year old woman in eastern Turkey in winter can show up with an id and line up at -30 Celcius in the dead of morning , a fucking US citizen can do it too.
Election tempering is letting millions of people illegally, no questions asked in a country, making them comfortable and making sure they vote "correctly" when the time comes. It is a long game.

No, he's right. The proposed forms of ID are expensive, and can be hard to obtain. It's not just some old lady in Turkey with her state-issued ID. For example, many of the forms require an original birth certificate. Which I do not have. I have a passport, so I'm good. But i have tried to get a copy of my birth certificate, and I'm going to have to go to DC for it. That would suppress my vote.

 

[Murat B.]

No, he's right. The proposed forms of ID are expensive, and can be hard to obtain. It's not just some old lady in Turkey with her state-issued ID. For example, many of the forms require an original birth certificate. Which I do not have. I have a passport, so I'm good. But i have tried to get a copy of my birth certificate, and I'm going to have to go to DC for it. That would suppress my vote.

We talked about this for so long, American people overwhelmingly agree with me. You are the richest, most powerful country on earth. You know how lefties like to talk about the top %1 and all that? If you are making over $30.000 , you are in the top %1 in the world ! Get it done ! Simple. In what parallel universe it is even a discussion that only the citizens of a country should be able to vote and that they should prove it??? How and when did we get to this point? Find a way to get it done. And I am done on this subject

 

[Federberg]

‎Gemini - direct access to Google AI

Created with Gemini

g.co

 

[Federberg]

^ hope that query to Gemini helps. It's more than just requiring voter ID. Personally I'm in favour of voter ID, we take it fore granted here in the UK. If you're restricted in the form of ID you can show then that becomes discriminatory. Some of those are very difficult to get. You need to ask yourself why certain types of ID aren't allowed. Who are they really trying to stop from voting. Quite apart from the rather obvious point that the last thing illegal immigrants want to do is put themselves in a situation where they could get deported. If anyone really thinks illegal immigrants are lining up to vote, I've got a bridge to nowhere to sell

 

[Murat B.]

‎Gemini - direct access to Google AI

Created with Gemini

g.co

Just saying...from Gemini "herself".

• Gemini (Google): Studies have found that Gemini exhibits a more pronounced left-wing/liberal tendency compared to other LLMs, frequently aligning with left-of-center perspectives.

 

[Federberg]

Just saying...from Gemini "herself".

• Gemini (Google): Studies have found that Gemini exhibits a more pronounced left-wing/liberal tendency compared to other LLMs, frequently aligning with left-of-center perspectives.

that's interesting. Which AI agents are considered more neutral? I don't want bias in my search for knowledge

 

[Murat B.]

that's interesting. Which AI agents are considered more neutral? I don't want bias in my search for knowledge

There is none !. Elon created (or help create) Grok to be more politically incorrect but now it leans right. AI s are products of their creators. Their biases are inherent in the final product. So screw all of them.
I guess this is another debate which I would prefer more than the election ID debate honestly.

 

[Federberg]

There is none !. Elon created (or help create) Grok to be more politically incorrect but now it leans right. AI s are products of their creators. Their biases are inherent in the final product. So screw all of them.
I guess this is another debate which I would prefer more than the election ID debate honestly.

lol! Fair enough

Here’s grok

 

[Federberg]

lol! Fair enough

Here’s grok

this is why I said it's not the same as me going to a voting booth in the Uk with my ID. Typically that's my driving licence. That, it seems, would not be sufficient with this legislation.

 

[britbox]

The solution will ultimately be Digital Id... But first the drama needs to play out.