2025 Internazionali BNL d'Italia, Rome, Italy - Masters 1000

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In some ways I think Alcaraz "needs" this title more than Sinner. Reaching the final in his first tournament after a three-month layover is a good result for Jannik, if a bit disappointing, especially considering the Italian crowd. But Carlos was looking kind of wobbly for a bit there, and has been playing with more consistency of late. He's also rising at the right time as we head into the heart of the season (RG/Wimb). At this point, he's convinced me that he's still the favorite at RG.
I was just having this conversation with a friend. She made your point, but I do think you could argue for either, which you also sort of did. But it would be huge for Alcaraz going into RG, I agree.
 

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Well done Carlos you are a joy to watch on clay
Well deserved Rome title
It will take a hell of a player to win against you at RG this year!
Jannik not your best day at the office, though to play your 1st tournament back after 3 months and make a Master 1000 final, a great effort
 
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I was just having this conversation with a friend. She made your point, but I do think you could argue for either, which you also sort of did. But it would be huge for Alcaraz going into RG, I agree.
Yeah, it is tricky. It would have been good for SInner if he won this, but more so it would have been devastating for Carlos. This result basically leaves us where we were before Rome: Sinner is really good but beatable on clay, and Carlos is the favorite at RG.

I think the biggest question is if Jannik can improve as he works through the early rounds and be at a higher level by the end. Meaning, I don't think we yet know what Jannik's peak clay level is and whether he can take that next step up and come close to his hard court level and really give Carlos a challenge. I also question whether Jannik will have the fortitude to make it all the way through seven rounds...I wouldn't be surprised if he's upset in the QF/SF range. He's an amazing player, but missing three months isn't nothing. I'll feel more confident about his level in Wimbledon, I think.
 

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Auguri, Carlitos. He played more within himself, which was wise.
 

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Yeah, it is tricky. It would have been good for SInner if he won this, but more so it would have been devastating for Carlos. This result basically leaves us where we were before Rome: Sinner is beatable on clay, and Carlos is the favorite at RG. I think the biggest question is if Jannik can improve as he works through the early rounds and be at a higher level by the end.
I think "devastating" is an overstatement, unless it had been a rout. I also don't agree that this leaves us basically where we were before Rome. Sinner is playing well, we can see now, and that was an unknown before Rome. And Alcaraz became more of a favorite for RG than he was before this match, and likely before Rome.
 

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I think "devastating" is an overstatement, unless it had been a rout. I also don't agree that this leaves us basically where we were before Rome. Sinner is playing well, we can see now, and that was an unknown before Rome. And Alcaraz became more of a favorite for RG than he was before this match, and likely before Rome.
Fair enough. I think those two factors sort of evens out for the two of them: Jannik is playing well with minimal rust and Carlos is more consistent, so they move up somewhat similarly, and we're still left with a similar spread between the two of them, imo.

But I think what you are saying, and where I will agree with you, is that I feel more confidence in the two, as a pair, than I did before Rome. But not relative to each other.
 
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Fair enough. I think those two factors sort of evens out for the two of them: Jannik is playing well with minimal rust and Carlos is more consistent, so they move up somewhat similarly, and we're still left with a similar spread between the two of them, imo.

But I think what you are saying, and where I will agree with you, is that I feel more confidence in the two, as a pair, than I did before Rome. But not relative to each other.
Yes, that is what I meant. I think they pull even farther away from the rest of the field after this tournament and final, as far as chances for Paris. I do think that Carlos pulled a bit away from Jannik for the French with this win, but we can disagree a little bit on that.

What I don't agree with is what Jimmy Arias has been saying for a couple of days, which is that if Sinner won this final over Alcaraz, he would become the favorite for RG. I think that still would have been arguable, unless, like I said, it had been a rout. If Sinner had looked like he did v. Ruud the other day. But I'm just disagreeing with a commentator. (And also likely the odds makers, who have very short memories. LOL.)
 

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Things Carlos Alcaraz has done by the age of 22,
First man to beat Nadal/Djokovic back to back on clay
First teenage male No 1 in history
Youngest man to win GS titles on 3 surfaces
Youngest man to win the Channel Slam
Olympic Medalist
Winner of all 3 clay Masters 1000s
 
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Yes, that is what I meant. I think they pull even farther away from the rest of the field after this tournament and final, as far as chances for Paris. I do think that Carlos pulled a bit away from Jannik for the French with this win, but we can disagree a little bit on that.

What I don't agree with is what Jimmy Arias has been saying for a couple of days, which is that if Sinner won this final over Alcaraz, he would become the favorite for RG. I think that still would have been arguable, unless, like I said, it had been a rout. If Sinner had looked like he did v. Ruud the other day. But I'm just disagreeing with a commentator. (And also likely the odds makers, who have very short memories. LOL.)
As I posted the other day if by chance Sinner d Alcaraz in the final at Rome, to me Alcaraz would still be the favorite to win RG, he is a much more accomplished clay player than Jannik for starters and that was obvious in todays match. I dont understand some of these so called 'experts' eg Arias can come to the conclusion if Sinner had won Rome he would be the favorite for RG, which was laughable to me.Anyway Alcaraz proved some of these expert doubters wrong :)
 

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Yes, that is what I meant. I think they pull even farther away from the rest of the field after this tournament and final, as far as chances for Paris. I do think that Carlos pulled a bit away from Jannik for the French with this win, but we can disagree a little bit on that.

What I don't agree with is what Jimmy Arias has been saying for a couple of days, which is that if Sinner won this final over Alcaraz, he would become the favorite for RG. I think that still would have been arguable, unless, like I said, it had been a rout. If Sinner had looked like he did v. Ruud the other day. But I'm just disagreeing with a commentator. (And also likely the odds makers, who have very short memories. LOL.)

Sinner's due for an upset! I don't think he'll get anywhere near the consistency of the Big 3 making "SF & Final" in every major event played! I wouldn't doubt either an upset or a WD in Paris by the 4th Rd.! I'm calling it! Sinner won't be the only top player to go down! Winning streaks before a Major means lit'l these days w/ the speed of the game taking so much out of players from early rounds! :fearful-face::face-with-hand-over-mouth::face-with-head-bandage:
 
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Sinner's due for an upset! I don't think he'll get anywhere near the consistency of the Big 3 making "SF & Final" in every major event played! I wouldn't doubt either an upset or a WD in Paris by the 3rd Rd.! I'm calling it! Sinner won't be the only top player to go down! Winning streaks before a major means lit'l these days w/ the speed of the game taking so much out of players from early rounds! :fearful-face::face-with-hand-over-mouth::face-with-head-bandage:
I don't see how being "due for an upset" is going to make it happen. Sinner has consistency, calm, and a better game than 90%+ of the field. He's proven in Rome that he's not that rusty. I think you can surely book him into the 2nd week, even without seeing the draw. Who are you thinking might take him out before Alcaraz? Zverev? :lol3:
 
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Sinner's due for an upset! I don't think he'll get anywhere near the consistency of the Big 3 making "SF & Final" in every major event played! I wouldn't doubt either an upset or a WD in Paris by the 4th Rd.! I'm calling it! Sinner won't be the only top player to go down! Winning streaks before a Major means lit'l these days w/ the speed of the game taking so much out of players from early rounds! :fearful-face::face-with-hand-over-mouth::face-with-head-bandage:
Oh please do I have to put Sinners stats and his consistency for you to understand? he just came back from 3 months out and this was his first loss since coming back, making a Masters 1000 final? he had a 26 consecutive win in matches before this loss in the Rome final
his last loss was last October in Beijing?
Before posting check the stats for starters!
 
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Carlos Alcaraz will travel to Paris on Wednesday to begin preparations for his Roland Garros defense.
Carlos plans to arrive early to adapt to the conditions
 
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