US Politics Thread

[mrzz]

 

[Federberg]

Bolton's revelation has to make things difficult for GOP Senators. To refuse to allow him to testify will remove any chance Trump has of being exonerated. His desire to remain uncriticised will make things really bad for him and GOP Senators in the elections. The smart thing to do would be to allow GOP Senators to criticise his actions but still claim that it doesn't rise to high crimes and misdemeanours

 

[Federberg]

Thought this was an interesting article...

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...-trump-2020-nomination-popular-socialism.html

 

[Federberg]

Looks like the Senate will vote to acquit Trump without witnesses. I have to say, I think this is the best outcome for Democrats. Pelosi is a genius. Somehow she's managed to manufacture another Kavanagh type situation to lead into elections this year. The GOP will have to do one heck of a job suppressing votes to stop a Dem tsunami in November. I think they'll win barring a really stupid candidate pick. Personally I think Biden, Bloomberg, Klobuchar or Bennett would do the job quite nicely. Now is not the time for progressives. The midterms showed that moderates picked off Republicans successfully whereas no progressives were able to mount a challenge to unseat Republicans. They might make more noise but the quiet centre was the winner, no matter what the left tries to say

 

[tented]

Looks like the Senate will vote to acquit Trump without witnesses. I have to say, I think this is the best outcome for Democrats. Pelosi is a genius. Somehow she's managed to manufacture another Kavanagh type situation to lead into elections this year. The GOP will have to do one heck of a job suppressing votes to stop a Dem tsunami in November. I think they'll win barring a really stupid candidate pick. Personally I think Biden, Bloomberg, Klobuchar or Bennett would do the job quite nicely. Now is not the time for progressives. The midterms showed that moderates picked off Republicans successfully whereas no progressives were able to mount a challenge to unseat Republicans. They might make more noise but the quiet centre was the winner, no matter what the left tries to say

What do you think about Bloomberg/Klobuchar?

 

[brokenshoelace]

Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.23

Shocking, I know. Though some of the questions are way too simplistic.

 

[Federberg]

What do you think about Bloomberg/Klobuchar?

If you could surgically extract charisma that's what a Presidential pairing would look like! In all seriousness it might be effective (in government) but I don't think they could win. Neither has a particularly good track record winning the black vote and I don't see any appeal in the South either. Now if you said Bloomberg with Stacy Abrams for Veep? That would get the African American's out in numbers I think

 

[Federberg]

Wow! The Dems can't even get the caucus results out of Iowa. One of the points they really need to assert in the elections is competence. I can't think of anything worse than their organisational performance here. What is it Stephen A Smith always says about the Cowboys?

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

Wow! The Dems can't even get the caucus results out of Iowa. One of the points they really need to assert in the elections is competence. I can't think of anything worse than their organisational performance here. What is it Stephen A Smith always says about the Cowboys?

Did you just use the words "Dems" and "competence" in the same post???

 

[Federberg]

Did you just use the words "Dems" and "competence" in the same post???

lol! I wasn't talking about political competence Just administrative competence

 

[Federberg]

Wow...

 

[Moxie]

The State of the Union was shockingly partisan. Deeply depressing.

 

[Moxie]

I thought of putting this on the Other Sports thread, but I'm putting it here. Trump doesn't even know what state the Kansas City Chiefs play in. (For those outside of the US, it's Missouri, not Kansas.) So much for taking on the mantle of the 'great forgotten.' Obviously, this is idiotic, but it also means he doesn't really follow football, which is another knock on him in terms of being some "regular guy."

 

[Federberg]

No, you missed the beat. She's really the exact opposite of Woke. It's a parody... one of the best on Twitter to be honest. She's been banned on numerous occasions for being so good. I was talking in terms of literalism. I'm hitting the sack now... to be continued.

 

[britbox]

If you'd posted that a year ago, it might even have been news.

 

[Federberg]

If you'd posted that a year ago, it might even have been news.

not sure I was trying to make news. Saw the name, I posted it. Simple as...

 

[britbox]

not sure I was trying to make news. Saw the name, I posted it. Simple as...

Not sure if you ever read the Spectator but he does quite a bit of writing for the Jonathan Pye character too.

 

[Federberg]

Not sure if you ever read the Spectator but he does quite a bit of writing for the Jonathan Pye character too.

lol! Too many things to read mate. Haven't got the time. Particularly all this social/cultural stuff..

 

[calitennis127]

Bolton's revelation has to make things difficult for GOP Senators. To refuse to allow him to testify will remove any chance Trump has of being exonerated. His desire to remain uncriticised will make things really bad for him and GOP Senators in the elections. The smart thing to do would be to allow GOP Senators to criticise his actions but still claim that it doesn't rise to high crimes and misdemeanours

As usual, you were totally wrong. The Bolton revelations were perfectly timed for Bolton's own publicity and for the Democrats' media campaign for more witnesses. And who did they come from? Someone leaking at the National Security Council, very possibly Vindman's brother. Regardless of who leaked the info, it was not even a direct quote.

All the Bolton news amounted to was a grenade held by Schiff and his fellow plotters to throw at the right moment.

But let's assume the worst for a second. Let's say Bolton got up in front of the Senate and fulfilled your deep inner fantasy of saying "Trump told me and others in the administration that he wanted the aid withheld until the Ukrainian government announced investigations into the Bidens." That still amounts to absolutely nothing because you can't have a serious quid pro quo or shakedown if the other party insists that they never felt pressured. (Not to mention that even if that was the case, there was an entirely legitimate and legal predicate for Trump to want the Bidens investigated since they likely violated the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act with Hunter's involvement with Burisma.)

For the one-millionth time, three leading Ukrainian officials (President Zelensky, Foreign Minister Prystaiko, and presidential adviser Yermak) all emphatically stated that there was no quid pro quo. Therefore, it would not matter if Trump said 10,000 times to Bolton in the privacy of the Oval Office that he wanted the aid withheld. You cannot have extortion if the other side does not feel threatened.

Period.

 

[calitennis127]

I thought of putting this on the Other Sports thread, but I'm putting it here. Trump doesn't even know what state the Kansas City Chiefs play in. (For those outside of the US, it's Missouri, not Kansas.) So much for taking on the mantle of the 'great forgotten.' Obviously, this is idiotic, but it also means he doesn't really follow football, which is another knock on him in terms of being some "regular guy."

Moxie you probably don't know the name of more than two NFL players, and if you do, they are probably white quarterbacks like Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers (although Rodgers is probably too esoteric a name for your football knowledge). So please, spare us your nonsense about "knowing football."

Now what Trump said was obviously a gaffe, but your beloved Democrats have committed enough of these to triple a world almanac in size. Among some examples:

- DNC chairman Tom Perez saying that "The electoral college is not a creation of the Constitution"
- Bill De Blasio using the phrase "cast dispersions" instead of "cast aspersions" - an indicator of the very fine liberal arts education college students have received in recent decades
- Your beloved Hillary mistranslating the word "reset" in Russian, in front of the cameras, during a meeting with Russian leaders.

Not to mention Nancy Pelosi wobbling around in her high heels like she is trying to walk on a moving surface before answering questions like she has a speech impediment. And, speaking of football analogies, did you hear her utterly stupid analogy to "special teams" in a football game that made no sense?

We can play this game all day long. So, as the honorable mayor of your city of residence (Bill De Blasio) would say, stop casting dispersions [sic] on Trump! Don't cast dispersions on him!