Women have only half the number of qualifier options at 3 Majors

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I didn't know this. At all the Majors, the men are allowed a field of 128 in the qualifying rounds. However, at only the USOpen, is the qualifying field the same. Otherwise, at the AO, RG, and Wimbledon, the women's qualifying field is limited to half...96. Surely this limits women's options more than men's. Anyone surprised by this? Should it be different?

This NYTimes article is interesting as to how qualifiers work and and the early money. A recommended read:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/13/...-239th-ranked-australian-open-qualifying.html
 

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I didn't know this. At all the Majors, the men are allowed a field of 128 in the qualifying rounds. However, at only the USOpen, is the qualifying field the same. Otherwise, at the AO, RG, and Wimbledon, the women's qualifying field is limited to half...96. Surely this limits women's options more than men's. Anyone surprised by this? Should it be different?

This NYTimes article is interesting as to how qualifiers work and and the early money. A recommended read:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/13/...-239th-ranked-australian-open-qualifying.html

good point.

on the surface -- it does look like there's no reason why it is like that -- just apply it to the women also.

now -- what about WADA? how many will get ''medical therapeutic exemptions so long as they apply on schedule for DOPING?"

but ..moving on to AO ..

who thinks KERBER will defend -- or not? after all -- tha't would be the natural question:

will DEFENDING CHAMPS defend ?
 

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I didn't know this. At all the Majors, the men are allowed a field of 128 in the qualifying rounds. However, at only the USOpen, is the qualifying field the same. Otherwise, at the AO, RG, and Wimbledon, the women's qualifying field is limited to half...96. Surely this limits women's options more than men's. Anyone surprised by this? Should it be different?

This NYTimes article is interesting as to how qualifiers work and and the early money. A recommended read:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/13/...-239th-ranked-australian-open-qualifying.html

96 isn't half of 128, it's three quarters.

There are roughly twice as many registered male players than female, so on a percentage basis... there are more qualifying places up for grabs than men.
 
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96 isn't half of 128, it's three quarters.

There are roughly twice as many registered male players than female, so on a percentage basis... there are more qualifying places up for grabs than men.

that does change the scenario as to why there is a difference.

it remains to be noted that the men's and women's tours are SEPARATE tours - they each stand on their own with their own particular rules pertaining to their natural difference. men and women.

same as the rules for women are ''best of 3" - 'best of 5" for men in majors in acknowledgement of the natural differences between the tours .

so it does make sense that as far as each distinct tour goes - - regardless that they are playing in the same tournAMENT -- they also have their continued male or female tour rules and definitions -- such as basing things on percentages taken from the participation volume in each tour.

now - it makes sense a bit more.

but on the surface MOXIE asked a pertinent question.

thansk Britbox for clarifying this detail.

now -- which DOPED players will do better than others - doped or not?

maybe players should make extrra money now -- and the tour too -- with all of them having sponsorships -- with brand names on their shirts and shoes..
uknow

NANDROLONE.....
or TAGS on shirts like

"RECENTLY AUTHORIZED THERAPEUTIC EXEMPT"...
''NOT EXCEEDING 10 MILLIGRAMS per WEEK".


''WADA GUARANTEE OF AUTHENTIC DOPING PERMISSION".


after all - this is NOW the TRUE REPUTATION OF ''clean sports"..eh?

and i said it HERE first -- exactly a year ago ........roflmao...
 
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96 isn't half of 128, it's three quarters.

There are roughly twice as many registered male players than female, so on a percentage basis... there are more qualifying places up for grabs than men.
:lulz2: That's what I get for not actually doing the math. But you can see the point, and I think you can also extrapolate that to the notion that fewer opportunities, as in qualifying slots, and what is still less money at some of the coed events, there's a reason there are fewer registered female players.

Anyway, based on your thread about what players make, I thought there was a lot of interesting stuff in there...including how the money has been shifted a bit to the earlier rounds & qualifiers in order to keep decent players viable in the sport, which is true on both the men's and women's sides.
 
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:lulz2: That's what I get for not actually doing the math. But you can see the point, and I think you can also extrapolate that to the notion that fewer opportunities, as in qualifying slots, and what is still less money at some of the coed events, there's a reason there are fewer registered female players.

Anyway, based on your thread about what players make, I thought there was a lot of interesting stuff in there...including how the money has been shifted a bit to the earlier rounds & qualifiers in order to keep decent players viable in the sport, which is true on both the men's and women's sides.


the ONE ting i definitely agree on is the MONEY ''SHIFTED A BIT MORE TO THE LOWER RANKS"

that is an absolute MUST.
for every right reason.
it is one thing to reward the BIG NAMES -- because they HAVE worked very hard at their talents and profession - and HAVE spent a lot of money to get there.

but that is precisely ALSO the reason that mone ought to be given out 'trickle down" economics for REAL -- to the lesser known - and beginners in order to provide them with a little more space and freedom to develop which REQUIRES money which the great majority realloy do NOT have in order to reach the 'next stage of development">

we mostly have heard of the great stories of the great players -- but NAME A SINGLE ONE of them that had not at some point - regardless of how their families OF COURSE sacrificed for their careers' sake -- that did not come from more or less ''privileged background" RELATIVE to many other people who MIGHT actually have as much talent -- but -- absent the economic SPACE which can only come from EXTRA outside infusion (either sponsors OR absent THAT - such as in poorer countries with almost NO tennis infrastructure OR EVEN Tradition -- THROUGH EARNINGS in their rounds)...

it's often easier to talk about how 'difficult it was for" the BIG NAMES AFTER they already had earned their way -- right for them to get the career success --

while forgetting that the toil and sacrifices and dedication in order to get to the next level of development is near-impossible STILL for many likely equally talented ones SIMPLY because they do not have enough ''wages" AS tennis players in the circuit -- PER ROUND that they actually play..

it is like their 'hourly wage" is set SO low -- it is really nearly impossible to pay BILLS, GASOLINE, plane tickets, food, hotel , and if possilbe at all - an actual coach - let alone all the other advantages MONEY ALONE can buy -- a physio, a ''team" complete with psychologists, practice partners hired specifically for a certain result..and all that.

NATURALLY -- by the nature of the sport -- 'the cream of the crop rises" -- what CAN be cream of the crop has limitations on getting to the next stage - for lack of - MONEY.

THIS IS not to mean the top players and winners at the late rounds should have pay cuts. not at alll -- it should be that the sport has become so successful -- it is the TOURNAMENTS and sponsorships and financing that should allocate the increased budget to the wages of the earlier, first week rounders so that THEY can rely on a longer period to stretch their earnings further. maybe get that extra special coach that jus tmight make a difference -- maybe travel to that tournament and not worry about if he or she can really afford the ticket because ther'e sanother tournament he has to defend points -- and maybe this one he earns an extra ranking -- etc...
these are very critical to the ACTUAL DAILY LIVES of what are in every way

WORKERS of the industry - tennis.