Wimbledon SF: Federer v Berdych

[britbox]

Who wins?

H2H: Federer leads 18-6

2017 Miami Masters QF Hard Roger Federer Tomas Berdych 6-2 3-6 7-6(6)
2017 Australian Open R32 Hard Roger Federer Tomas Berdych 6-2 6-4 6-4
2016 Australian Open QF Hard Roger Federer Tomas Berdych 7-6(4) 6-2 6-4
2015 ATP World Tour Finals 10 Hard Roger Federer Tomas Berdych 6-4 6-2
2015 Rome Masters QF Clay Roger Federer Tomas Berdych 6-3 6-3
2015 Indian Wells Masters QF Hard Roger Federer Tomas Berdych 6-4 6-0
2014 Dubai F Hard Roger Federer Tomas Berdych 3-6 6-4 6-3
2013 Dubai SF Hard Tomas Berdych Roger Federer 3-6 7-6(8) 6-4
2012 US Open QF Hard Tomas Berdych Roger Federer 7-6(1) 6-4 3-6 6-3
2012 Madrid Masters F Clay Roger Federer Tomas Berdych 3-6 7-5 7-5
2011 Paris Masters SF Hard Roger Federer Tomas Berdych 6-4 6-3
2011 Cincinnati Masters QF Hard Tomas Berdych Roger Federer 6-2 7-6(3)
2010 Canadian Masters QF Hard Roger Federer Tomas Berdych 6-3 5-7 7-6(5)
2010 Wimbledon QF Grass Tomas Berdych Roger Federer 6-4 3-6 6-1 6-4
2010 Miami Masters R16 Hard Tomas Berdych Roger Federer 6-4 6-7(3) 7-6(6)
2009 Australian Open R16 Hard Roger Federer Tomas Berdych 4-6 6-7(4) 6-4 6-4 6-2
2008 Olympic Tennis R16 Hard Roger Federer Tomas Berdych 6-3 7-6(4)
2008 Australian Open R16 Hard Roger Federer Tomas Berdych 6-4 7-6(7) 6-3
2007 Czech Republic v Switzerland - DC WG - PO 0 Carpet Roger Federer Tomas Berdych 7-6(5) 7-6(10) 6-3
2006 Wimbledon R16 Grass Roger Federer Tomas Berdych 6-3 6-3 6-4
2006 Halle F Grass Roger Federer Tomas Berdych 6-0 6-7(4) 6-2
2006 FO - RG R16 Clay Roger Federer Tomas Berdych 6-3 6-2 6-3
2005 Hamburg R32 Clay Roger Federer Tomas Berdych 6-2 6-1
2004 Olympic Tennis R32 Hard Tomas Berdych Roger Federer 4-6 7-5 7-5

 

[Moxie]

The only thing Berdy has going for him is that he has had some big wins amongst his few against Roger, including a QF at Wimbledon and a QF at the USO. But his form and fortunes have been dropping over the last year. Unless Fed has an off-day, he'll take Tomas in 3.

 

[crystalfire]

havent seen much of berdych but he appears to be playing well. id say fed in 4 but ill be somewhat surprised if fed loses. other than that this is his wimbledon to lose now

 

[mrzz]

The only thing Berdy has going for him is that he has had some big wins amongst his few against Roger, including a QF at Wimbledon and a QF at the USO. But his form and fortunes have been dropping over the last year. Unless Fed has an off-day, he'll take Tomas in 3.

That´s what I was thinking. Most Berdych wins were quality wins, one way or another:

2013 Dubai SF Hard Tomas Berdych Roger Federer 3-6 7-6(8) 6-4

Just a 500 but a tournament that Federer usually does well given the surface

2012 US Open QF Hard Tomas Berdych Roger Federer 7-6(1) 6-4 3-6 6-3

Major

2011 Cincinnati Masters QF Hard Tomas Berdych Roger Federer 6-2 7-6(3)

Master were Federer does extremely well

2010 Wimbledon QF Grass Tomas Berdych Roger Federer 6-4 3-6 6-1 6-4

Major

2010 Miami Masters R16 Hard Tomas Berdych Roger Federer 6-4 6-7(3) 7-6(6)

Master

2004 Olympic Tennis R32 Hard Tomas Berdych Roger Federer 4-6 7-5 7-5

Olympics -- With Federer close to his prime

 

[Moxie]

He beat Roger in 2004 at the Olympic Games ..."with Federer close to his Prime?" Now you have to be kidding me. Federer's prime seems to be more of a Moveable Feast than Hemingway's days in Paris...but 2004? He was 23. He had 3 Majors and was weeks away from his 4th at the USO. If those aren't prime years, I don't know what.

 

[mrzz]

^But that is exactly what I meant. I just did not want to discuss if he was in his absolute prime or not. Anyway, the closer to his absolute prime, the stronger my argument: That the Berdych wins were truly quality wins.

 

[Correspondent Kiu]

Fed in 4
Just because it sounds so nice.
It could be in straight sets, Fed hasn't dropped a set yet and he could go clean all the way.

 

[El Dude]

I'm less concerned about Berdych than I was about Raonic, and I wasn't that concerned about Raonic. Maybe Berdych takes a set, but Roger will tighten the screws and run away with it. This won't be nail-biter like Miami.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

In view of the general decline of Berdych and incline of Fed, this year, this got to be a straight sets win. Fed will be focused and would not want to get into a long match (to save himself for the finals). Berdych's movement is weak. Also Berdych's second serve is easily attackable. Fed will expose both of those weaknesses.

 

[El Dude]

Let's just put it this way: If Fed loses to Berdych, something is seriously wrong.

 

[Federberg]

He beat Roger in 2004 at the Olympic Games ..."with Federer close to his Prime?" Now you have to be kidding me. Federer's prime seems to be more of a Moveable Feast than Hemingway's days in Paris...but 2004? He was 23. He had 3 Majors and was weeks away from his 4th at the USO. If those aren't prime years, I don't know what.

I agree. Of Berd-man's wins over Roger, the ones that stand out are the USO and the Olympics.

 

[atttomole]

This could be a tough one. Berdych knows how to beat Roger, and he has shown in the past, that he can return Roger's serve very well. However, I think Roger will be focused and take it in 4 sets.

 

[Moxie]

I agree. Of Berd-man's wins over Roger, the ones that stand out are the USO and the Olympics.

You are, willfully or not, missing my point about when Roger's prime was (#nailingjellotoawall) and also, willfully or not, ignoring the 2010 win at Wimbledon.

 

[Federberg]

You are, willfully or not, missing my point about when Roger's prime was (#nailingjellotoawall) and also, willfully or not, ignoring the 2010 win at Wimbledon.

Not sure how you get that. I think Roger's prime started in 2004 and you could make an argument that it runs all the way through to at least the end of 2008. That's prime prime I'm talking. But what does that have to do with his H2H with Berdych which was what I was more interested in. I'm not ignoring his 2010 win. Not sure Roger was playing well enough for me to highlight it as an impressive win. No doubt about the Olympics and the USO though. What's the problem with that?

 

[mrzz]

I am not that worried about Berdych too, there´s an abyss between the results both are having this year (but there´s Miami too). However, when I looked down at the list I realized that all his wins were either important or in places Federer was not supposed to lose. That is, they all came a little out of the blue. Fortunately I am pretty sure Federer knows that well and will enter the court focused and not underestimating Berdych for one second.

 

[Moxie]

Not sure how you get that. I think Roger's prime started in 2004 and you could make an argument that it runs all the way through to at least the end of 2008. That's prime prime I'm talking. But what does that have to do with his H2H with Berdych which was what I was more interested in. I'm not ignoring his 2010 win. Not sure Roger was playing well enough for me to highlight it as an impressive win. No doubt about the Olympics and the USO though. What's the problem with that?

My point was a bit general petulance. Mrzz was questioning 2004 as prime, and that was my point, in the post you quoted, without addressing it. But no matter. As to 2010, Roger wasn't top drawer, by results, as he'd just lost his first QF in ages at RG, but there was nothing wrong with him, so I don't see any reason to discredit Berdy beating him at Wimbledon that year. It was still a big scalp. A bit like Querrey beating Djokovic last year.

I'm no fan of Berdych, and I've said he's on the wane. I don't think this is one of those moments he's going to step up and spoil Roger's day. But I think it's wrong to discredit what an upset it was when he beat Roger in that QF at Wimbledon in 2010. Do I have to mention it was his worst loss at Wimbledon since, what...2002?

 

[Federberg]

My point was a bit general petulance. Mrzz was questioning 2004 as prime, and that was my point, in the post you quoted, without addressing it. But no matter. As to 2010, Roger wasn't top drawer, by results, as he'd just lost his first QF in ages at RG, but there was nothing wrong with him, so I don't see any reason to discredit Berdy beating him at Wimbledon that year. It was still a big scalp. A bit like Querrey beating Djokovic last year.

I'm no fan of Berdych, and I've said he's on the wane. I don't think this is one of those moments he's going to step up and spoil Roger's day. But I think it's wrong to discredit what an upset it was when he beat Roger in that QF at Wimbledon in 2010. Do I have to mention it was his worst loss at Wimbledon since, what...2002?

In 2010 Federer had strapping on his leg in Halle. Not sure if I have this right, but he lost to Hewitt in the final I think (?). I recall having a moan with another Fedfan about what was going on with the strapping. This is Federer after all, when do you ever see that. And then we moved on to Wimbledon... was I surprised he lost to Berdych? Sure. Was I disappointed when Roger brought up his injury? Sure. Does it put Berdych's victory over Roger into context? Sure...

You've worked so hard to get me to say that... so go for it now. Here come's another Fedal war....B-)

 

[DarthFed]

In 2010 Wimbledon Roger damn near lost the first round to Falla and then struggled badly the next round too. Berd beating him was still an upset but not a huge one given Feds form at the time. 2012 USO was a far bigger upset and truly shocking but it also came at a time when Tomas was consistently troubling Fed. Roger has turned it around in recent years but Miami was a nailbiter and Fed knows he can't coast in this match.

 

[mrzz]

The problem in 2010 was not the back? Anyway I remember the loss to Hewitt to, and that showed the cracks in the armour (as the first match that I just got reminded by Darth´s post). But even with context, it was still Wimbledon, he was the defending champion and the heavy favorite. That was surely an important win by Berdych, even if put into context.

So my point was, Berdych has history of upsets over Federer (and Miami this year would have been a giant one), and should not be taken that lightly. But obviously my money is on Federer.

 

[Moxie]

In 2010 Federer had strapping on his leg in Halle. Not sure if I have this right, but he lost to Hewitt in the final I think (?). I recall having a moan with another Fedfan about what was going on with the strapping. This is Federer after all, when do you ever see that. And then we moved on to Wimbledon... was I surprised he lost to Berdych? Sure. Was I disappointed when Roger brought up his injury? Sure. Does it put Berdych's victory over Roger into context? Sure...

You've worked so hard to get me to say that... so go for it now. Here come's another Fedal war....B-)

It's so sad that people choose emoticons, and they just come up as question marks. I must speak to the Baron @britbox about that. Well, of course you remember that injury and I don't. I don't distrust it. And you've conceded what? That niggling injury can be a factor in a loss? That shouldn't be a surprise to fans of sport.