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Isn't it amusing that Federberg posted an article by a leading neoconservative who was calling for the United States to invade Iraq well before George W. Bush was president and actually signed this letter to President Clinton in 1998? Isn't that just too funny? There is Robert Kagan's name right there with Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Bolton, and the rest of them. I guess that Federberg does not know his history. Surely he would not want to be affiliated with anyone on this list!

http://www.iraqwatch.org/perspectives/rumsfeld-openletter.htm

Just as puzzling is how he could think someone who puts out an ad such this or holds a rally such as what is in the second video could have a connection to the KKK. But who are we dealing with here? Federberg, just poor little Federberg. Not much brainpower there.



 
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well--

i invite any of you -- who are interested in the REAL FACTS of world affairs -- not least

the EXPOSURE now made by russia that the TRUE AUTHOR of global terrorism as PROXY ARMY against ''disobedient or non-compliant governments" to be smeared before invading --

is of course the EMPIRE OF CHAOS USA .

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THAT IS NOW INCONTROVERTIBLE FACT -- no matter how MSM western media -- both europe and usa and vassals try to keep up the hypocritical ''news" they hav eplayed for decades and decades.

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so read on in my link forum thread...

http://discuss.tennis/index.php?threads/what-does-everyone-now-say-about-usa-exposed.574/#post-14777

but a rather succinct summary of this hypocrisy can be encapsulated , thank goodness, even in just ONE article..i post also below.




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Palmyra's Liberation Greeted With Praise Despite Silence of Officials
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While Western authorities remain “decidedly muted” over the liberation of the ancient city of Palmyra from Daesh terrorists, many Western readers have lavished their admiration on the UNESCO site's liberators when commenting on dry factual articles. Sputnik has compiled a small number of these readers' responses.
While Western journalists wonder why their Western leaders “appear unenthusiastic” over the biggest military defeat of Daesh militants in Syria so far, their readers aren't concealing their admiration of those who fought to liberate the ancient city of Palmyra.


Comments in the US media:

Los Angeles Times

"Dilemma indeed. How to explain to the American public that the US really didn't oppose IS because the US thought IS would deliver the coup de grace to the Syrian government? Instead, IS will soon be driven from Syria by the Syrian Arab Army backed by Russian air power Meanwhile, the CIA backed mercenaries and the Pentagon backed mercenaries are fighting each other in the small corner of northwest Syria not yet controlled by the Syrian government.


No doubt telling the truth will not be an option. Instead we will get more phony 'narratives' duly conveyed by the LAT and other mainstream outlets."

"It took a real man like Putin, in a country that still knows right from wrong, Russia, to solve the Syrian war."

Wall Street Journal

"I wonder if this means the Syrian civil war is once again at risk of ending? If so, what measures can we take to ensure it continues?…the irony here is that it's not clear that I'm being sarcastic. Many here would post the above or close to it in all seriousness."


"Since Putin got involved the situation gets worse for IS! LOL, and Obama said that Putin will leave defeated! O tries to claim to be part of Putin's success now!"

"The USG won't give up its bad habit of overthrowing elected governments it doesn't like. Regime change is one of those euphemisms to muddy the waters, as if calling an elected government a 'regime' legitimizes illegal US aggression against them. Russia has waged a serious war against ISIS in Syria, and against the US-armed, trained and supported groups, many of them affiliated in one way or another with the terrorists and all acting as a proxy US army to bring down Assad. The US goal has never been to stop ISIS, only to show it can still pick and choose other people's governments."


"The advance by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s forces showed how reliant the regime remains on help from Russia, which said Sunday that its warplanes had hit more than 100 targets over 24 hours in the vicinity of Palmyra.

Putin is killing Islamic State terrorists. That's a good thing. This is how it's done Obama, 100 bombs in one day."

Comments in the UK media:

Daily Express

"The West owes Putin a debt of gratitude."

"This is the difference. Obama supports, arms and then apologises for terrorists. Putin destroys them."

"Had the west supported Syria and Assad, Palmyra would still be intact, there would be no drownings, EU would be safer and refugees would still be living at home. Our foreign policy is a foreign disaster."

"Well done Putin. He has the 'balls' that Cameron and the EU politburo lack."

"Who would you most trust to fight and protect the interests of your country — Cameron, Obama, or Putin? Bit of a no brainer really isn't it."


Daily Mail

"America could take some Tips from the Russians.. They get the job done."

"Putin has invited Western countries to assist in the de-mining and cleanup of Palmyra; whether the West does or does not assist it's another public relations coup for the Russian President. Come on Obama, Kerry, Cameron and Hammond, it`s time to call it a day and tell your Wall St bosses that the game is over, and you've LOST."

The Independent

"I could not help but smile when I read that the US command claimed two air strikes against Isis around Palmyra in the days leading up to its recapture by the regime. That really did tell you all you needed to know about the American 'war on terror'. They wanted to destroy Isis, but not that much."


"It is not only Dave that has been quiet, the whole western media have been quiet about it as well. Now if the Americans had liberated Palmyra,it would be front page news, story after story but because it is the Syrians, Hizbollah, Iran and the Russians, it is hardly mentioned. Just goes to show who runs the media in the west."

"ISIS is a 100% western creation, to give the West reason for continuous military presence in the region, for decades to come. That *was* their plan. Now let them mess with Russia if they have the nerve: Turkish F-16 haven't even taken off, since the day the S400's became operational in Northern Syria…"

"Shame that the West Media does not allow its readers access to the true story…"


"The silence of Western leaders over the recapturing of Palmyra is for the same reason the allies during WW2 never once bombed the tracks that took millions of people to the Nazi death camps. Vested class interests. From Standard Oil, Ford, ITT, Coca Cola to IBM, to name a few, that kept the war going.

ISIS is a creation of Western imperialism; oil, political power and profits are the basis of the present silence. The same reason why Turkey keeps the border open with Syria – oil deals with ISIS. For them it's business as usual. The point is us and our response in how we protect our own class interests."


Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160329/1037123777/palmyra-liberation-comments.html#ixzz44HgkX6JZ


Isn't it amusing that Federberg posted an article by a leading neoconservative who was calling for the United States to invade Iraq well before George W. Bush was president and actually signed this letter to President Clinton in 1998? Isn't that just too funny? There is Robert Kagan's name right there with Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Bolton, and the rest of them. I guess that Federberg does not know his history. Surely he would not want to be affiliated with anyone on this list!

http://www.iraqwatch.org/perspectives/rumsfeld-openletter.htm

Just as puzzling is how he could think someone who puts out an ad such this or holds a rally such as what is in the second video could have a connection to the KKK. But who are we dealing with here? Federberg, just poor little Federberg. Not much brainpower there.



 

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Isn't it amusing that Federberg posted an article by a leading neoconservative who was calling for the United States to invade Iraq well before George W. Bush was president and actually signed this letter to President Clinton in 1998? Isn't that just too funny? There is Robert Kagan's name right there with Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Bolton, and the rest of them.MEDIA=youtube]tmtnY7Pf0TU[/MEDIA]



I'D LIKE to point out that this KAGAN -- ONE of the masterminds of so much bloodshed AND LYING -- for american empire --

who will stoop to the lower than lowest -- such as the USA HIDING behind its PROXY ARMIES of TERRORISTS -- calling them ''moderate rebels" even if they are just afficiliates of ISIL AND AL QAEDA --

is also the HUSBAND OF wonderful VICTORIA NULAND -- she of the

"fu ck EU" fame in phone cponversation caught by russian hackers talking to antoehr US AMBASSADOR specializing in regime change ( he TRIED it in moscow mayoral elections -- LITERALLY CAMPAIGNING for the ''opposition" -- but got kicked out by russia, lol) --

she -- the man author of the UKRAINE FASCIST ASCENDANCE now ruling that ''COUNTRY" OR What's left of it after the USA/EU /NATO /IMF got their wonderful ''color revolution" yet again

she -- the nurse and mother of NOW BASKET CASE UKRAINE (which when part of USSR or later independent but SUPPORTED by russia - was once the MOST ADVANCED AND biggest economy in europe OUTSIDE OF GERMANY -- few people remember that) --

had a little come-uppance in a US STATE DEPARTMENT STAFF visit to moscow some months ago

thinking she could GAME russia in some way -- only to be publicly , gently, but FIRMLY put in her place by RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTER sergei lavrov!

roflmao...

just watch the youtube...



 

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In Syria, President Putin Acts ‘Sincerely, Based on Real Human Impulses’
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Advisor to Syrian President Bashar Assad, Bouthaina Shaaban, has slammed the West and praised the efforts of Russia and President Putin in particular on tacking terrorism in her country, following the recapture of Palmyra from militants, she also commented on Turkey’s involvement in Syria and its contribution to the spread of violence.
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© Sputnik/ Mikhail Voskresenskiy
Ancient Palmyra's Liberation Proves to West That Assad Fights for Civilization
Bouthaina Shaaban, advisor to President Bashar Assad, has welcomed the involvement of the Russian government and President Putin in particular in the fight against Daesh.
Commenting on Sunday’s telephone conversation between the presidents, when President Putin called Bashar Assad to congratulate on liberation of the ancient city of Palmyra, Shaaban said it demonstrated President Putin’s deep personal feelings regarding this historic treasure of civilization.

“I heard that President Putin told President Assad that there is oil in the world, there is coal, there are a lot of mines, but there is only one Palmyra,” she said in an interview with the Arabic branch of RT news channel.

“I wish all Western leaders had heard what President Putin said because David Cameron, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, for example, did not utter a word about the liberation of Palmyra.”

“None of them congratulated either the Syrian people or the Syrian army with the liberation of Palmyra, despite the fact that the terrorists who seized Palmyra are the same terrorists who committed the terrorist acts in Brussels, Paris and other European capitals, as well as in the US.”

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© Sputnik/ Mikhail Voskresensky
Palmyra's Liberation Greeted With Praise Despite Silence of Officials
“This telephone conversation shows the difference between the Russian leader acting sincerely, based on real human impulses, actually doing what he says and the double standards of the West, which is against terrorism in word but in fact it does not fight it and does not want to be on the side of the Syrian Arab army which is at war with terrorism. It [the West] does not seek to take care of other people the way Russia does."
On the Role of Turkey

Bouthaina Shaaban also noted that since the very beginning of the conflict the country’s authorities were aware of Turkey's complicity and Ankara’s aggression against Syria.

“If we didn’t have a joint border with Turkey, which exceeds 860 km in length then all those terrorists streaming to Syria from all over the world couldn’t have got into it. Turkey has become a real safe crossing point for letting them into Syria and encouraging their arrival,” she said.

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© AFP 2016/ YOUSSEF KARWASHAN
RT Exclusive Documentary: Film Crew Discovers Financial Receipts for Turkey-Daesh Oil Trade
The politician said that over three years ago they had already received data indicating that Turkish intelligence had been involved with Daesh (ISIL).
“We knew that caravans of oil trucks have been moving from the east of Syria into Turkey through Iraq and Kurdistan. They were probably then heading into Europe. The illicit oil trade, smuggling of antiquities and theft of equipment from our factories in Aleppo… Erdogan’s government is neck-deep in support of terrorism not only in Syria but all over the world.”

Bouthaina Shaaban said she hopes to live to the day when the world learns that the Turkish government has always been involved in the support of terrorism, illicit oil trade and antiquities smuggling, that it is this government who is spreading anxiety in all the countries of the region for the sake of its own interests, that Erdogan's sympathies lie “heart and soul” with the “Muslim Brotherhood, even though he wears western suits.

“His mentality is Wahhabi, and he is leading the world towards catastrophe until the world realizes that it should take a clear and decisive stance towards his government, the same it has towards Daesh and Wahhabism,” she concluded.


Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2...a-russia-bouthaina-shaaban.html#ixzz44I9jhdF8
 

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Teddy, I admire Putin on a number of levels for being a strong leader and somebody who Russia needed at the time, but don't think for one minute he is doing this out of caring for the Syrian people. Putin is in the geopolitical game just like everybody else. He needs Syria intact with a friendly government to prevent pipelines being built in the country that would have a huge impact on Russia's control of energy supply in the region.
 

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Teddy, I admire Putin on a number of levels for being a strong leader and somebody who Russia needed at the time, but don't think for one minute he is doing this out of caring for the Syrian people. Putin is in the geopolitical game just like everybody else. He needs Syria intact with a friendly government to prevent pipelines being built in the country that would have a huge impact on Russia's control of energy supply in the region.

oh i geopoliticakl interests are major .

but don't think putin is anything LIKE your western leaders who profess caring about democracy --

putin at least cares enough about PEOPLE -- THAT ARE DESTROYED

by your WESTERN leaders.

even if what you say is true ince you are yourself so steeped in western thinking that

everything is about ''geoolitical interests ONLY"

SINCE that HAS BEEN desmontrated BY your own colonialist leaders --

then that is up to you.

but that is also part of what russians them,selves =- as a spociety have demonstrated so repeatedly


they -- in their own words numerously -- abhor war and conquest more than anything -- evfen IF they must resort to destruction of those that DO threaten their borders and nterests -- geopolitcal so to say

because THEIRS is a history of foreign invasions from both west and east ...

while THAT of the west is about INVADING regions far beyond their own borders.

SYRIA has a 1,000 year OLD relation with russia at the very least --

and it is pure cynicism on your part to think that putin does not in fact represent what RUSSIANS as a society consider as CENTRAL in importance to their very idea of what is ''the russian world" which is --

to hold loyalty to those that they consider as part of THEIR own historic roots as ''christians" aND muslms (30 percent of russians havge long been muslims) -


of which there is a shared root of their orthodox christianity .

whiel that is not ALL - that is PART OF what you call ''just geopolitical interests"

anmd even if SO -- WHAT OF IT?

RUSSIA HAS that NATURAL historica and cultural right to be what syria ASKED russia to come to syria\s aid...

against the assault conjured up by YOUR western leaders whose ONLY aim

is exactly what you thnk is "only wha tputin has in mind" geopolitics
..

fact is -- while it IS true that russia needs syrian ports - it is a very LOGICAL REASON

unlike that of the west that HAVE NO REASON to try to rule or influence where they DON'T BELONG -- NEVER had historica roots or relations except as nvaders.

YET -- RUSSIA -- IN REALITY HAS AN ALTERNATE ROUTE to africca -- which the mediterranean ports are --

it is THROUGH IRAN in which russia and iran are now resurrecting an old huge canal project as ''exit" point to the persian gulf.

which means -- RUSSIA could do WIHTOUT the mediterranean if it is forced to ..

which therefore means -- tha tAT LEAST a part of putins and russia's entry to syria

IS of a TRUE friendship

whch YOUR cynicism can not allow you to see

because well --

THAT IS what the west sees ...

where everything is ''maps to conquer|".

so -- you need not PROJECT to putin ''motives" that are so characteristic of the KERRY'S CLINTONS, CAMERONS ETC...
 

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Putin isn't risking Russian lives in Syria because Assad is an old pal. He's doing it because it's in Russian interests... and vice versa. Same with Iranian alliances on mutual interests.

Which part do i call geopolitical interests? If Syria falls then expect energy pipelines to built through Syria, which will have a massive impact on Russia's position as a provider of energy.... which will have a massive impact on the Russian people... Putin is a patriot and has Russian interests at heart... he isn't doing this for Syrian humanitarian reasons just like the western incursion into Iraq wasn't for humanitarian reasons.
 

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Teddy, I admire Putin on a number of levels for being a strong leader and somebody who Russia needed at the time, but don't think for one minute he is doing this out of caring for the Syrian people. Putin is in the geopolitical game just like everybody else. He needs Syria intact with a friendly government to prevent pipelines being built in the country that would have a huge impact on Russia's control of energy supply in the region.

and if putin ''needs syria to prevent pipelines bujilt to rival russia"


WHAT OF IT?

it's russia THAT HAS THE GAS AND OIL

not THE MAIN leaders of attacks on syria

NAMELY USA - YOUR OWN BRITAIN AND FRANCE .

if russia is protecting its commercial interests THAT IS A PROPER REASON as the country that the ENTIRE europe depends on for its LIGHTS!

and on which syria for centuries has depended on for friendship (you can ask any ordinary majority syrian -- and they WILL attest to it, regardless of what they think about putin or assad)

if as you say putin wants russian forces in the middle east -- WHAT OF IT?

what business do the BRITISH OR AMERICANS have any more in a region in which THEY are the foreigners and alien cultures -

where RUSSIA nad the 'russian world" or the orient have LONG been part of such relation sas cultures?

i have LOTS of persian friends for isntance who HAVE russian blood as well as persian and THEY see themselves almost as much as being 'part of the russian, oriental world"

than they EVER would part of your ''western" culture.

the claims of russia -- whether in commerce, politics, and culture and religions


IS AS NATURAL n syria as that of syrians going to russia for education for decades..

as it is UN-natural for the BRITISH -- with their kerry's and clintons\
\


or the americans --

to think they can PARK their helicopters and ships and troops


ANYWHERE NEAR teh middle east

which IS part of ASIA - AND EURASIA

in which RUSSIA has always been a central piece --

and of which THEY -- THE ANGL0AMERICANS AREN'T EVEN PART OF!

WHATEVER THE BEHAVIOR of russia and syria, p[ersia, india, china afhganistan, central asa, southwest asia, southeast asia...etc..

ARE -- whether or not YOU of the west APPROVE OF IT --

are behavior of THE NATIVES to eurasia.

it is YORU america and islands of britain whose VERY PRESENCE - LET ALONE JDGMENTS OR 'RULES" OF engagement

THAT ARE NOT!

IT IS you -- HTE ''WEST" THAT ARE THE aliens

in a great landmass of which russia is only part -- and has relations with syria and others

are the NATIVES.

AND THEREFORE -- ALL of your pronouncements about 'geopolitical interests"

are -- in the final analysis -- quite irrelevant to how the EURASIANS order their own relations.

IT IS your WEST == particularly the british american ''west" who are the OUTSIDERS from PERIPHERAL '\ISLANDS"


outside of eurasia

that are NOT the natural actors in lands on which your \'ideas" and judgments INTRUDE.

for PURELY geopolitical ''assets" taking.

RUSSIA'S is NOT.

russia sees the commonality of the syrians with russians.

just as easily as russia treasur3es HER kremlins and churches and natural wonders --

as she treasures enough SYRIA'S historic legacy such as PALMYRA which is precious to the syrian people as their identity -


which YOUR map maklers of the peripheral anglo saxon british american west

CARE NOTHING FOR

BUT THE OIL AND GAS UNDER THEIR EARTHS!

AND that's THE DIFFERENCE.

PUTIN AND RUSISA -- JUST AS SYRIA AND ASSAD



have the reasons of their lands' wealth and riches AS WELL AS THEIR CULTURES


TO defend FROM DESTRUCTION


by your own western peripheral cultures.
 

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Putin isn't risking Russian lives in Syria because Assad is an old pal. He's doing it because it's in Russian interests... and vice versa. Same with Iranian alliances on mutual interests.

Which part do i call geopolitical interests? If Syria falls then expect energy pipelines to built through Syria, which will have a massive impact on Russia's position as a provider of energy.... which will have a massive impact on the Russian people... Putin is a patriot and has Russian interests at heart... he isn't doing this for Syrian humanitarian reasons just like the western incursion into Iraq wasn't for humanitarian reasons.


putin is not doing this for humanitarian reasons?

and YOUR SAMANTHA POWER WESTERNERS DO?

YES? the same ones that bring bombs and terrorists on libya and yemen and ukraine and yugsolavia

for hiumanitarian reasons?

ya?

thjats laughable britbox.

it must be just geopo;litical reasons that

russia -- despite the harm to HER -- just keeps plugging away with bread and medicine


the ukraine - syria , serbia


WHICH your humanitarian west have destroyed and bombed.

mAYBE PUTIN just sees so much OIL under ukraine...


yes -- such a BIG, BIG LAND that russia NEEDS!!!

FACT IS -- OIL/ GAS? ENERGY? THAT IS ONLY 20 percent of what russia depends on for its BUDGET ..not teh western meme of \\russia is nothing but OIL AND GAS.


AND russia's economcy is FAR more diverse than the western propaganda makes it out.

and LOSING europe as oil and gas customers -- can easily BE REPLACED BY asia


AGAIN -- OF WHICH RUSSIA IS A NATURAL PART.

now


WHERE IN ALL OF THAT PICTURE DOES THE USA AND THE BRITISH ISLES BELONG?
 

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I didn't say the west were doing it for humanitarian reasons - quite the opposite. The point is that neither is Putin... and as I implied during the earlier posts... I don't blame him. He's drawn a line in the sand that indicates you've poked the bear more than enough. He's doing it to protect Russian interests though, not because he enjoys a beer and a round of darts with Assad (who by the way, was educated in the UK, not Russia... not that it has much relevance).
 
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BUT REALLY BRITBOX...


i can easily anticipate that you -- or westerners are too steeped in the idea that ''the government of assad -- BAD -- BECAUSE WE SAY SO"

even if the west has NO BUSINESS PASSING tht kind of judgment -- considering it is YOUR governments that are the REAL authors of global terror as your proxy armies to conquer lands whose riches

your countries and governments COVET...

nad resources of which RUSSIA has plenty ALREADY ..

so --

better than YOUR or MY opinion are the ONLY LEGITIMATE REPRESENTATIVES of the syrian people --

that of its own government and spokesperson s

WHO ARE syrians -- unlike you or me -- and are the ones THAT HAVE HAD TO SUFFER

THE DESTRUCTION VISITED upon them BY yoru own western governments through their terrorist proxies...

and that is the words of the SYRIAN government's spokes woman
that DAMNS the hypocrisy of western ''ideals" and judgments


INCLUDING notions about ''putin's motives".

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In Syria, President Putin Acts ‘Sincerely, Based on Real Human Impulses’
© Sputnik/ Mikhail Voskresenskiy
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14:27 29.03.2016Get short URL
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Advisor to Syrian President Bashar Assad, Bouthaina Shaaban, has slammed the West and praised the efforts of Russia and President Putin in particular on tacking terrorism in her country, following the recapture of Palmyra from militants, she also commented on Turkey’s involvement in Syria and its contribution to the spread of violence.
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© Sputnik/ Mikhail Voskresenskiy
Ancient Palmyra's Liberation Proves to West That Assad Fights for Civilization
Bouthaina Shaaban, advisor to President Bashar Assad, has welcomed the involvement of the Russian government and President Putin in particular in the fight against Daesh.
Commenting on Sunday’s telephone conversation between the presidents, when President Putin called Bashar Assad to congratulate on liberation of the ancient city of Palmyra, Shaaban said it demonstrated President Putin’s deep personal feelings regarding this historic treasure of civilization.

“I heard that President Putin told President Assad that there is oil in the world, there is coal, there are a lot of mines, but there is only one Palmyra,” she said in an interview with the Arabic branch of RT news channel.

“I wish all Western leaders had heard what President Putin said because David Cameron, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, for example, did not utter a word about the liberation of Palmyra.”

“None of them congratulated either the Syrian people or the Syrian army with the liberation of Palmyra, despite the fact that the terrorists who seized Palmyra are the same terrorists who committed the terrorist acts in Brussels, Paris and other European capitals, as well as in the US.”

1037118727.jpg

© Sputnik/ Mikhail Voskresensky
Palmyra's Liberation Greeted With Praise Despite Silence of Officials
“This telephone conversation shows the difference between the Russian leader acting sincerely, based on real human impulses, actually doing what he says and the double standards of the West, which is against terrorism in word but in fact it does not fight it and does not want to be on the side of the Syrian Arab army which is at war with terrorism. It [the West] does not seek to take care of other people the way Russia does."
On the Role of Turkey

Bouthaina Shaaban also noted that since the very beginning of the conflict the country’s authorities were aware of Turkey's complicity and Ankara’s aggression against Syria.

“If we didn’t have a joint border with Turkey, which exceeds 860 km in length then all those terrorists streaming to Syria from all over the world couldn’t have got into it. Turkey has become a real safe crossing point for letting them into Syria and encouraging their arrival,” she said.

1030496504.jpg

© AFP 2016/ YOUSSEF KARWASHAN
RT Exclusive Documentary: Film Crew Discovers Financial Receipts for Turkey-Daesh Oil Trade
The politician said that over three years ago they had already received data indicating that Turkish intelligence had been involved with Daesh (ISIL).
“We knew that caravans of oil trucks have been moving from the east of Syria into Turkey through Iraq and Kurdistan. They were probably then heading into Europe. The illicit oil trade, smuggling of antiquities and theft of equipment from our factories in Aleppo… Erdogan’s government is neck-deep in support of terrorism not only in Syria but all over the world.”

Bouthaina Shaaban said she hopes to live to the day when the world learns that the Turkish government has always been involved in the support of terrorism, illicit oil trade and antiquities smuggling, that it is this government who is spreading anxiety in all the countries of the region for the sake of its own interests, that Erdogan's sympathies lie “heart and soul” with the “Muslim Brotherhood, even though he wears western suits.

“His mentality is Wahhabi, and he is leading the world towards catastrophe until the world realizes that it should take a clear and decisive stance towards his government, the same it has towards Daesh and Wahhabism,” she concluded.


Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2...a-russia-bouthaina-shaaban.html#ixzz44I9jhdF8
 

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I didn't say the west were doing it for humanitarian reasons - quite the opposite. The point is that neither is Putin... and as I implied during the earlier posts... I don't blame him. He's drawn a line in the sand that indicates you've poked the bear more than enough. He's doing it to protect Russian interests though, not because he enjoys a beer and a round of darts with Assad (who by the way, was educated in the UK, not Russia... not that it has much relevance).


i;ll p;ut it this way


the 'cradle of civilization" as books still sometimes say

IRAQ

MESOPOTAMIA

was sdestroyed by YOUR western angl0-american led cabal of colonialists for ira's OIL

no less than alan greenspan of USA FEDERAL BANK CHAIRMANSHIP ADMITTED IT

"FRANKLY IT HAD nothing to do with al quada or 9.11 -- but just the oil and our petro dollars and c western control".

what was the ONLY thing teh anglo american occupiers nd invaders cared about as THEY destroyed the infrastructure of iraq -- once one of the 3 most advanced in the region

with syria , persia?

why of course the OIL DEPOTS

nevermind the museums and heritage

NAD WE SEE THAT with your angl0-american colonialists hiding behind masks of

';'fighting terroprists" which THEY created with their geopolitical interests.

where do you see RUSSIA havng done THAT for ''geopolitical interests?"

if we are talking about geopolitical interests


then it is THIS;

russia'\s s one of OLD , ANCIENT TRADES, SILK ROADS, WITH CHINA, COMMERCE, PEOPLE HAVING JOBS, TRADES, AND GOING ON ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS AS THEY ALWAYS HAVE in creating their civilizations...


YORUS of the west is one of DESTROYING those cultures to GET THEIR RESOURCES.

END OF STORY.,
 

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Teddy, I admire Putin on a number of levels for being a strong leader and somebody who Russia needed at the time, but don't think for one minute he is doing this out of caring for the Syrian people. Putin is in the geopolitical game just like everybody else. He needs Syria intact with a friendly government to prevent pipelines being built in the country that would have a huge impact on Russia's control of energy supply in the region.

BRITBOX -- WE CAN GO ON FOREVER

about what i consider yoru cyncism or the refusal to give putin -- who DOES represent the majority of russians who -- despite western propaganda and WISHES (OF WHICH SANCTIONS were intended to realize those wishes)

are in fact SUPPORTIVE by a great, great majority of ther CHOSEN leader -- putin..

PRECISELY because he HAS defended russia and REGAINED IT from YOUR western attempts to carve her down snce the 1990's...

and we can argue abotu whether putin deserves CREDIT for having TRUE human impulses to help syria.

WHICH is the fact that syrians themselves proclaim. (and inf act -- many of syrian friends i knwof vastly different religions and tribes UNITE in saying "we all were waiting for russia -- because they have ALWAYS come to our aid centuries ago , it's not JUST about putin --it's how russians have been to US -- they would come and help when we sent emissaries for help -- and then thney would leave -- NEVER as conquerors..)

geo[poltiical reasons "'only" as you say

or NOT


the RESULTS are what count.


PUTIN AND RUSSIA -- upon the request of the legitimate POPULARLY SUPPORTED gtovernment of assad --

came and STOPPED in its destructive tracks


the TERRORISM THAT your WESTERN LEADERS AND GOVERNEMNTS UNLEASHED !

now


TAHT =-- if that' sgeopolitical RESULT?


hey --


the world could use MORE of it!
 

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Where did I say the Syrian government was "bad"? It was a stable, secular state. My argument on this thread is that Putin isn't getting involved in Syria because he's part of some old pals network with Assad. He's doing it to protect Russian interests... which as the Russian leader you would expect him to do. It's geopolitical... no two ways about it... and yes, western countries foreign policies are for "geopolitical" positioning also.
 
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BRITBOX -- WE CAN GO ON FOREVER

PRECISELY because he HAS defended russia and REGAINED IT from YOUR western attempts to carve her down snce the 1990's...

From my western attempts? Really? Like I said in an earlier post defending American citizens... don't blame the general populace for the actions of elites.
 

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Where did I say the Syrian government was "bad"? It was a stable, secular state. My argument on this thread is that Putin isn't getting involved in Syria because he's part of some old pals network with Assad. He's doing it to protect Russian interests... which as the Russian leader you would expect him to do. It's geopolitical... no two ways about it... and yes, western countries foreign policies are for "geopolitical" positioning also.

i am not saying you DID


YOU take that context yourself based on my response about YOUR cycicssm about putin's ''motives"

my mentioning about assad as lgiimate is as a reminder that


teh syrian nation was ASSAULTED by YOUR western nations behind the mask of 'fighintg terrorists"

that THEY ENABLED and i don't need to be the one feeding people links and information for that.

my point is --

our argumenat about putin's motives which you cynically reduce to geopolitics

as IF putin and russians only come to DIE and kill in syria -- agains tTERRORISTS

THAT were destroying syria because of HARBORS and OIL ONLY.

no

that is incorrect. that is what i am saying.


the only ones that are TRULY CALLOUS and only look at the world like RESOURCES


are none other than the likes o f cameron - obama and the western leaders who have NO BUSINESS POLKING THEIR NOSES ANYWHERE and create nothing but TROUBLE!~

for people inregions who have no real quarrel with your peoples.

UNTIL

your government went abroad adventuring and hectoring and regime changing.


to the ppoint that a SYRIA MUST ASK RUSSIA TFOR HELP0

WHILE you -- say ''oh it is only abotu geopool;itical reasons"


IF PUTIN WANTED THAT -- HE COULD HAVE DONE THAT LONG AGO AND PUT RUSSIAN TROOPS LONG BEFORE THE TERRORISTS UNLEASEHD BY THE


DESTRUCTION of libya and iraq BY your angl-american callous masters

caem to syria.
 

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From my western attempts? Really? Like I said in an earlier post defending American citizens... don't blame the general populace for the actions of elites.


i make generalization s-- that is the PRICE your populations pay -- in reputation

for the actions your own leaders DO.

WHAT your governments DO to regions and countires -- destroying them to make the kneel


sanctioning them , isolating, bombing them, sending in terrorists , economically destoryuing them



'''all that matters to the populations who suffer from thea ctionhs of your gtovernments is


"those people from america and britain did this" .


they couldn't care less that YOU or your friend ''DONT' AGREE WITH OUR GOVERNMENTS"

all they care about is -- their children DIE3D from western bombings...their wedding parties were destroyed by OBAMA'S DRONES...

their huts and homes were kicked open by western troops lording it over them in THEIR streets.

so -- to them

and their children all that matters is


"thopse british -- those americans -- those french"

that's the price YOU -- the populations pay for what YOUR leaders DO TO COUNTRIES AND THEIR PEOPLE.

AND THAT IS A small price to pay -- a bad reputation , generalized --


compared to the LIVES LOST and destroyed by YOUR western governments.
 

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Wrong way around... if Putin was doing it for humanitarian reasons, he'd have got involved a lot earlier. Let's not even pretend this is the reason Russia got involved... because it's frankly ridiculous.

Russia got involved because it was concerned that the Syrian government would get overthrown and needed to tip the balance back in the government's favour.... which it did, successfully.

Have I got a problem with that? No.

Have I got a problem with Western forces meddling continually in the middle east - Personally, yes, but like I said to somebody who ranted on to me about being British with regard to slave trade... "You've never been a slave and I've never owned one".