What on Earth is going on in the world today? It's gone mad

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Let's not be fooled for one minute into thinking that this has been done for the benefit of Iranian people. Aren't we over this template yet?

It's "Wag The Dog" time w/ Trump under siege in his policies w/ I.C.E. & tarriffs, then the polls showing Republicans going down in flames! :angry-face:
 
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Some of us who used to live next door remember the times before the Islamic Revolution. My father used to go to Iran every other month for business. He used to represent an oil company . He used to tell me the places he would visit and stay. It was no different from home (Istanbul). People of all religions believed what they believed but lived their lives how they wanted. Then the trips started to dwindle , and came to a stop.
The revolution did not just affect Iran. Religion is a powerful thing. I grew up in Ataturk's secular Turkey. In most ways, it still is. But the minute Iranian influenced leaders like Erdogan started to emerge, things started changing. Once that guy became the mayor of Istanbul in 1994, I saw what was happening and I packed my bags and moved to Canada. The guy is still the president...and has done so much damage . He could not erase Ataturk's Turkey of course, no matter how much he wanted but he changed things.
My point is, I do not give a flying fadoo about what Trump's motives are. If there is a chance Iran can go back to those pre Islamic Revolution days, even a tiny chance, this is worth it.
EDIT: BUT....I just saw a couple of videos where the usual suspects (white liberal women with colored hair and septum rings) , whose only hardship they have ever faced in life is getting their name misspelled at Starbucks, are telling Iranian women that they are just fine, orange man bad, so what do I know...
 
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This needs no words… :rolleyes:
 

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They allow this stuff to happen then wonder why people vote for the far right:facepalm:

To vote "far right" no matter what is reason to have their collective heads examined! The country goes to $#!t when they're in charge! They blow the budget wide open even though they're supposed to be so fiscally responsible! Our biggest debts occur when Republicans run things into the ground! We're such idiots to forget the stock market crashes, the gov't shutdowns, & gen. chaos reignng while they fk. it up! :angry-face::astonished-face::yawningface::fearful-face:
 

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My point is, I do not give a flying fadoo about what Trump's motives are. If there is a chance Iran can go back to those pre Islamic Revolution days, even a tiny chance, this is worth it.

Yeah tell that to the school that's been bombed, killing over 150 little girls.


No person sitting in the comfort of their Western privileged life should be able to tell the people getting bombed by the most violent empire in the modern age that it's worth the toll. I know you have the right intentions and this hits close to home, but what tiny chance is there? When on earth has America ever intervened anywhere and left it a better place? Have we learned nothing from Iraq, Libya, etc...?
 

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Anyway, thankfully we have peaceful religions like Judaism and Christianity to save us from those evil Muslims...
 
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Anyway, thankfully we have peaceful religions like Judaism and Christianity to save us from those evil Muslims...
I really get your point, but in all seriousness, if we suppose there is one big bad religion, would it be even possible for any other one to "save" anyone from it? My point is, once you get to that point, you are screwed anyway. A passive response means nothing and the active one most likely paints then with the same brush, as you pointed.

Fellow posters here would say that US/Israel is the less of two evils. As you said, it is easy to say it from here. But -- even at the risk of sounding like someone looking for justification -- some people inside Iran would also agree with that. It all depends on how each person has been personally affected by it all.

Leaders have the hard task of doing that inherently absurd human arithmetics, but we have Trump and Netanyahu instead.
 

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I really get your point, but in all seriousness, if we suppose there is one big bad religion, would it be even possible for any other one to "save" anyone from it? My point is, once you get to that point, you are screwed anyway. A passive response means nothing and the active one most likely paints then with the same brush, as you pointed.

Fellow posters here would say that US/Israel is the less of two evils. As you said, it is easy to say it from here. But -- even at the risk of sounding like someone looking for justification -- some people inside Iran would also agree with that. It all depends on how each person has been personally affected by it all.

Leaders have the hard task of doing that inherently absurd human arithmetics, but we have Trump and Netanyahu instead.

No, my point is how moronic religious people are to believe one religion is better and/or more peaceful than others, especially when Zionists continue to produce the most violent crimes of the 21st century in the literal name of Judaism, while the self-proclaimed "Christian Country" (JD Vance said that, so take it up with the vice president) launches its 20032096243093th senseless war of the last century. But yeah, we don't have their leaders wearing a cross and cartoonishly declaring everyone else as infidels so the idiotic west struggles to connect the dots.

And please can someone offer me one reason as to why US/Israel is the lesser of the two evils? The two countries who have just committed what the UN has officially declared as a genocide?
 

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And please can someone offer me one reason as to why US/Israel is the lesser of the two evils?
That is a pretty good question. Leavig aside partisanship, maybe people think they are siding with lesser evil, while they are simply siding with the evil they know.
 

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That is a pretty good question. Leavig aside partisanship, maybe people think they are siding with lesser evil, while they are simply siding with the evil they know.
well perhaps one can look at the immigration numbers, I don't see a clamour to go to those places. They're coming to Europe and America. Are they running towards evil or from it?
 

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well perhaps one can look at the immigration numbers, I don't see a clamour to go to those places. They're coming to Europe and America. Are they running towards evil or from it?

This would make a lick of sense if we were discussing GDP, economic growth, standards of living, etc... But for the sake of determining evil, perhaps one should look at which countries just committed a well documented genocide.

People desperately fleeing a shitty situation in hopes for a better life in no way absolves the West of its evils.









Yeah, the United States was built on the genocide of Native Americans (historical fact), slavery (historical fact), 2 atomic bombs (historical facts), atrocities in Vietnam, Iraq and countless forever wars (facts), have just launched an unprovoked attack on a country that they played a huge part in the state it's currently in (historical fact), funded a genocide in Gaza (fact), but yeah, I don't know, I wonder who's the real evil here.

You guys are so aloof in your racism it's almost endearing.

PS: Just because it feels I need to say this any time I talk to a Western, fuck Iran. They've been dragging my country down for decades through needless wars and economic doom. That hardly changes any of the above though, you idiotic scumbag.
 

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That is a pretty good question. Leavig aside partisanship, maybe people think they are siding with lesser evil, while they are simply siding with the evil they know.

Pretty easy to side with the evil you know when it's not your family getting bombed to death, and have the luxury to post about it from behind a computer screen. That the West refuses to acknowledge this is honestly mindboggling.
 
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Pretty easy to side with the evil you know when it's not your family getting bombed to death, and have the luxury to post about it from behind a computer screen. That the West refuses to acknowledge this is honestly mindboggling.

I'm hoping it's going to be more nuanced than that. There is a significant minority (but fast growing) group of people who are not following government or media narratives. A lot of things are unravelling... and some things can never go back to what they were. I know that's no consolation for some of the things happening right now.
 

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lol! Two things can be true. The Iranian regime is evil, it's oppressed its own people, particularly women, for a generation and has sponsored terrorism around the world. Not least in Israel. If Israel alone had gone in hard against the regime I wouldn't have assigned much morality to it, in my view it would not be unreasonable for Israel to once and for all get rid of a theocracy that seems to have one of it's founding principles be the complete destruction of Israel. When the Americans are getting led by the nose by Netanyahu then the thing becomes messy. Particularly as we all suspect the orange one is trying to distract from questions about teenage girls. This is not about good vs evil, but is the world potentially a better place if the theocracy is vanquished once and for all? Absolutely. Does that make those doing it good? Hell no! We're not that naive.

But to talk about the genocide of Native Americans and what not when discussing current events? LMAO! Go back in any nations history and you'll find genocide, that's the nature of humanity sadly. Does that mean that nations should hold themselves in a state of moral paralysis because they might have done something evil in the past? Then no one should ever do anything good! What utterly feckless garbage. Do good in the now, because it's good, not for redemption of past evils. Such weakness :face-with-tears-of-joy: The moral vacillations of this era are truly vomit inducing
 

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lol! Two things can be true. The Iranian regime is evil, it's oppressed its own people, particularly women, for a generation and has sponsored terrorism around the world. Not least in Israel. If Israel alone had gone in hard against the regime I wouldn't have assigned much morality to it, in my view it would not be unreasonable for Israel to once and for all get rid of a theocracy that seems to have one of it's founding principles be the complete destruction of Israel. When the Americans are getting led by the nose by Netanyahu then the thing becomes messy. Particularly as we all suspect the orange one is trying to distract from questions about teenage girls. This is not about good vs evil, but is the world potentially a better place if the theocracy is vanquished once and for all? Absolutely. Does that make those doing it good? Hell no! We're not that naive.

But to talk about the genocide of Native Americans and what not when discussing current events? LMAO! Go back in any nations history and you'll find genocide, that's the nature of humanity sadly. Does that mean that nations should hold themselves in a state of moral paralysis because they might have done something evil in the past? Then no one should ever do anything good! What utterly feckless garbage. Do good in the now, because it's good, not for redemption of past evils. Such weakness :face-with-tears-of-joy: The moral vacillations of this era are truly vomit inducing
I fully agree with you, but @brokenshoelace post just above (which I assume you are responding to in part) mentions Gaza in connection to genocide, not Native Americans. Your argument still applies though, that is, that the same people who do terrible things in one situation can do something good (even if this not their primary intention) in another.
 
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I fully agree with you, but @brokenshoelace post just above (which I assume you are responding to in part) mentions Gaza in connection to genocide, not Native Americans. Your argument still applies though, that is, that the same people who do terrible things in one situation can do something good (even if this not their primary intention) in another.
I don't believe any rational person supports what happened in Gaza, but let's be honest Hamas embedded themselves within the community in Gaza. The Israelis were going to go after them no matter what the global community said. I think pretty much any country that had suffered the sort of terrorist attack they had would have done the same. But Israel has a rational if rather disagreeable reason for being so aggressive. If they get hit, they have made it clear to all that they will hit a hundred times harder. And let's not forget that they had their people stuck in there as hostages. All of this funded by Iran by the way. I think Netanyahu is loathsome and he persisted with the war because he had bribery allegations to run away from. We all know this. Let's give the same energy to both wrongs that were committed. I suppose one of the possible outcomes we should all hope for when this conflict is over, is that Iran will no longer fund the likes of Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houtis. We can hope
 
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