Title leaders

[sid]

The top 10 leaders since 1990 in these events are.

Rank Player Total titles Grand Slam ATP Finals Masters 1000 Olympics
1.Roger Federer 47 17 6 24 0
2.Novak Djokovic 47 12 5 30 0
3.Rafael Nadal 43 14 0 28 1
4.Pete Sampras 30 14 5 11 0
5.Andre Agassi 27 8 1 17 1
6.Andy Murray 20 3 1 14 2
7.Boris Becker 9 2 2 5 0
8.Jim Courier 9 4 0 5 0
9.Thomas Muster 9 1 0 8 0
10.Gustavo Kuerten 9 3 1 5 0

 

[El Dude]

I'm not sure where you're getting that from but the "total titles" Is woefully off. I think those numbers represent ATP 250/500 titles.

Here's a list of all players by ATP titles, 1973 to present:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/performance-zone/win-loss-index/career/all/all/?sortByField=Titles&ascending=False

As you can see, Roger has 88, Rafa 69, Novak 66, Pete 64, etc.

 

[sid]

Came from here just look down the page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ATP_Tour_Top-level_tournament_singles_champions

ps I see where you went wrong Dude

The top 10 leaders since 1990 in these events are not from 1973 lol & no 250/500 titles are in the list.

 

[Puppet Master]

Oh, I saw this before on Facebook. This is the number of "important titles" if anyone is confused.
(Slams, WTF, Masters, Olympic gold medals)
I am now going to do something original, and never done before on any tennis forum - make fun of Rafa:
Boy does Rafa suck right? Couldn't even win a single WTF title. WTFdal. HAHAHAHA I AM SO FUNNY. Yeah, high five!!!
I am joking but, there are people who unironically do this, and it makes me sick.

 

[El Dude]

Not to nitpick, but did I go "wrong" or is the post and information misleading? "Total titles" implies ALL ATP titles, which include 250s and 500s. Maybe "big titles" or "more important titles" would be more accurate?

 

[sid]

Roger Federer I feel sadden for when I read about this.
5 short of Guillermo Vilas's record on ATP Tour matches.

Guillermo's record I think Roger would have taken.

Upon his return to the tour, Cañas won five Challenger titles and one ATP title (2007 Brasil Open).[3] In the six months after his return,
he had won 42 of 47 matches, going from being unranked to rank 60.[4] He won his first ATP-level match since his September return on February 15, 2007,
beating Marcos Daniel 6–1, 6–4.[3]
On March 11, 2007 Cañas defeated ATP ranked number one Roger Federer 7–5, 6–2 at the Indian Wells Masters, ending Federer's streak of 41 consecutive victories,
5 short of Guillermo Vilas's record on ATP Tour matches.[10] He defeated Federer again (7–6, 2–6, 7–6) 16 days later at the Miami Masters to back-up his
victory at Indian Wells. This double victory made him the only player (besides Rafael Nadal) to have defeated Federer in consecutive tournaments since 2003.
Cañas told the New York Times that, "I came back very motivated,
I came back with a lot of energy.

 

[Shivashish Sarkar]

This list reveals a lot. The only drawback is that some players on the list started their pro career prior to 1990 thereby omitting some of their titles. If this list can be developed and made to cover tennis results post 1980 that would be great. Djokovic will soon be ahead of Roger in this game. Okay.

 

[El Dude]

You can't really do a one-for-one comparison, though, as most Masters were best of five until 2007, so Novak only won a single five-set Masters, the 2007 Miami Masters. And of course the more diversified courts of the 90s and before made the Masters an entirely different ball-game.

30 Masters is still an amazing accomplishment, of course, and he may very well end up with 40+, which would be incredible.

 

[sid]

Murray is only 3 Masters behind Agassi while chatting on this.

 

[Shivashish Sarkar]

Murray is only 3 Masters behind Agassi while chatting on this.

But, his career is kind of similar to Agassi's in that he too had about 3 GS at the time when he turned 30. But, can Murray do an Agassi late into the second half of his career? With aging rivals, can he rise to fall only to the next great that possibly could be Zverev or whoever you like to mention.

El dude, I don't know if this deserves a blog post or a thread. But, can you draw a one-on-one comparison of Murray's and Agassi's career paths? They seem similar. It would be interesting to discover similarities/differences. It would be great if you would.

 

[El Dude]

Murray is only 3 Masters behind Agassi while chatting on this.

But, his career is kind of similar to Agassi's in that he too had about 3 GS at the time when he turned 30. But, can Murray do an Agassi late into the second half of his career? With aging rivals, can he rise to fall only to the next great that possibly could be Zverev or whoever you like to mention.

El dude, I don't know if this deserves a blog post or a thread. But, can you draw a one-on-one comparison of Murray's and Agassi's career paths? They seem similar. It would be interesting to discover similarities/differences. It would be great if you would.

That's an interesting idea, shiva. I'll try to put something together.

 

[mrzz]

^That would be just fitting... as I don´t like them both...

..anyway, am I seeing it right? Is Agassi listed with 8 ATP Finals (WTF/YEC) in the OP list?

 

[GameSetAndMath]

^That would be just fitting... as I don´t like them both...

..anyway, am I seeing it right? Is Agassi listed with 8 ATP Finals (WTF/YEC) in the OP list?

No, 8 GS. Only one WTF title.

 

[mrzz]

^That would be just fitting... as I don´t like them both...

..anyway, am I seeing it right? Is Agassi listed with 8 ATP Finals (WTF/YEC) in the OP list?

No, 8 GS. Only one WTF title.

ugh... you´re right, my bad.

 

[sid]

I think Murray can win 3 Masters in 2017 to match Agassi also has a great shot @ AO.

 

[Fiero425]

I think Murray can win 3 Masters in 2017 to match Agassi also has a great shot @ AO.

Anything less would not be a legitimate #1 IMB! :angel: :dodgy:

 

[sid]

I think Murray can win 3 Masters in 2017 to match Agassi also has a great shot @ AO.

Anything less would not be a legitimate #1 IMB! :angel: :dodgy:

Legitimate number one he is get over it :snicker

 

[El Dude]

ATP #1 Players that Andy Murray is Better than: Ilie Nastase, Patrick Rafter, Yevgeny Kafelnikov, Marcelo Rios, Thomas Muster, Juan Carlos Ferrero, Andy Roddick, Lleyton Hewitt, Marat Safin, Gustavo Kuerten, Jim Courier.

ATP #1 Players that were better than Andy Murray: John Newcombe, Jimmy Connors, Bjorn Borg, John McEnroe, Ivan Lendl, Mats Wilander, Stefan Edberg, Boris Becker, Pete Sampras, Andre Agassi, Roger Federer, Novak Djokovic, Rafael Nadal.

So Andy is better than 11, worse than 13 - so pretty much in the middle of the pack. How is that not legitimate?

I also think that, before he's through, he's got a good chance of having an overall greater career than Wilander and Newcombe, maybe even Becker and Edberg.

 

[Fiero425]

ATP #1 Players that Andy Murray is Better than: Ilie Nastase, Patrick Rafter, Yevgeny Kafelnikov, Marcelo Rios, Thomas Muster, Juan Carlos Ferrero, Andy Roddick, Lleyton Hewitt, Marat Safin, Gustavo Kuerten, Jim Courier.

ATP #1 Players that were better than Andy Murray: John Newcombe, Jimmy Connors, Bjorn Borg, John McEnroe, Ivan Lendl, Mats Wilander, Stefan Edberg, Boris Becker, Pete Sampras, Andre Agassi, Roger Federer, Novak Djokovic, Rafael Nadal.

So Andy is better than 11, worse than 13 - so pretty much in the middle of the pack. How is that not legitimate?

I also think that, before he's through, he's got a good chance of having an overall greater career than Wilander and Newcombe, maybe even Becker and Edberg.

None of this BS is legitimate! No matter what you think he's accomplished, Murray hasn't achieved much in comparison to these greats; sorry! He's woefully underachieved as far as I'm concerned and will probably only hold onto #1 ranking until the summer because Nole has so many tournament points to defend! Get over it! He's nowhere in the league of Edberg, Wilander, or even Becker! He doesn't have time to even get close! He just acquired the #1 ranking! Did you forget how old he is? He has to do a little bit more for me to accept him being anywhere near the names mentioned above! I know you said some were better, but why even invoke their names? To even mention him in the same breath with Connors offends me and I never could stand him and the way he played! :eyepop :cover

 

[El Dude]

I didn't say he was in the same breath as Connors, or that he was the equal to Edberg, Becker and Wilander. What I said is that

A) He's better than almost half the ATP #1s. Look at that first list - are any of those players greater? I'd say no.

B) He's got a "good chance" of surpassing Wilander and Newcombe, maybe even Becker and Edberg. I didn't define "good chance," but I think if he wins a couple more Slams he'll be in the same territory.

Anyhow, you severely underrate Andy. He is not (yet) an all-time great, but he's on the cusp - in the "near great" category along with players like Courier, Vilas, and Ashe--and he's the best of that group.