Terrorist shooting in Orlando Florida, at least 50 dead

[EdbergsGhost]

Unbelievable...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/1...nightclub-in-possible-act-islamic-terror.html


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/1...say-law-enforcement-sources.html?intcmp=hpbt1

 

[EdbergsGhost]

Deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/or...e-deadliest-mass-shooting-u-s-history-n590476

 

[britbox]

Crazy times but no signs of these mad serial murders ending... unfortunately it's difficult to legislate for nutcases.

 

[isabelle]

I'm sad for US people, this awful massacre reminds me le Bataclan...be sure all France cries for USA

 

[DarthFed]

Don't worry, in this country it will all be forgotten in a couple days and nothing will change. I was surprised to hear this was the deadliest shooting massacre in US history. I don't think there's any question that "record" will fall many times over in the coming years.

On top of being outraged by all the shootings the one thing that quickly comes to mind is how many less people would die if the perps didn't have a frickin army style assault rifle. That is the common denominator in all of these. At least 103 people were shot and it probably took less than a couple minutes to do. If he only had a handgun or even a shotgun there'd be a lot more people alive and a lot less people wounded today. He'd have been shooting at an empty room by the time he got 100 shots off.

 

[Federberg]

I heard that some idiot tweeted that gay men should buy guns. That really solves the problem. Absolutely sickening

 

[Carol]

The most embarrassing and unacceptable situation is that anyone can buy those riffles through the internet
In Spain where only the police and bodyguards are allowed to carry guns, the hunters to get a license to get a shotgun have to go through an intensive investigation to see that they have not any problem with the law and every single year they have to renew the license going through the same investigation again

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

What a horrible mess...poor families...

 

[Billie]

It's another terrible and senseless tragedy. And I will never understand how these assault rifles can be legal and bought so easily. I totally agree with Twisted. Additionally, this guy was on FBI's watch and was taken in 2 times for interviews. This world is scary.

 

[DarthFed]

And news coming out that the shooter was apparently gay himself. He visited the club many times over the course of a few years and was on a gay dating app.

 

[isabelle]

And news coming out that the shooter was apparently gay himself. He visited the club many times over the course of a few years and was on a gay dating app.

I heard one of his ex colleague who said that he tried to have a love affair with him, he sent him 15 sms/day so....the killer of gays was gay himself !!!! this world is going more and more logic

 

[Ricardo]

I heard one of his ex colleague who said that he tried to have a love affair with him, he sent him 15 sms/day so....the killer of gays was gay himself !!!! this world is going more and more logic

that's a rumour and not a logical one, and we don't know the motives behind such rumours. he shot dead 50 gays, doesn't seem like he 'loves' them.

 

[calitennis127]

And news coming out that the shooter was apparently gay himself. He visited the club many times over the course of a few years and was on a gay dating app.

According to a recent piece in the LA Times, the FBI has found no evidence that the shooter had gay lovers. He was motivated by jihadist ideology, plain and simple:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-gay-fbi-20160623-snap-story.html

 

[Asmodeus]

An AR-15 is not an assault rifle. It's been classified by the left as an assault rifle but is only cosmetically similar to one. This is simply a ploy to initiate gun control. Also, he killed 50 people over the course of three hours.

Those who don't believe in the power of economic choice and the right to own firearms simply do not believe in freedom.

 

[britbox]

An AR-15 is not an assault rifle. It's been classified by the left as an assault rifle but is only cosmetically similar to one. This is simply a ploy to initiate gun control. Also, he killed 50 people over the course of three hours.

Those who don't believe in the power of economic choice and the right to own firearms simply do not believe in freedom.

Do you think people should be allowed to own hand grenades?

 

[DarthFed]

An AR-15 is not an assault rifle. It's been classified by the left as an assault rifle but is only cosmetically similar to one. This is simply a ploy to initiate gun control. Also, he killed 50 people over the course of three hours.

Those who don't believe in the power of economic choice and the right to own firearms simply do not believe in freedom.

Just because he was holed up and took hostages over the course of 3 hours doesn't mean it took 3 hours to kill all those people. Most of those people were shot within seconds. It was fish in a frickin barrel with a weapon like that, whether you want to call it an assault rifle or not is besides the point. If he "only" had a handgun there'd have been way less carnage. If you think otherwise you are kidding yourself.

AR-15's sure are fun though but so are grenade launchers and large bombs. I suppose we should be able to arm ourselves with those as well.

 

[Asmodeus]

Do you think people should be allowed to own hand grenades?

If they are law abiding citizens then there is no justification for denying them this right. Certainly there should be training for such weapons, but that is a matter of administrative detail than can be solved in the market. Don't confuse the logic of allowing and reinforcing basic liberties and natural rights with unlikely hypothetical outcomes. With logic such as the you one you speculate, one can develop any possibility to deny someone even the right to live.

 

[Asmodeus]

Just because he was holed up and took hostages over the course of 3 hours doesn't mean it took 3 hours to kill all those people. Most of those people were shot within seconds. It was fish in a frickin barrel with a weapon like that, whether you want to call it an assault rifle or not is besides the point. If he "only" had a handgun there'd have been way less carnage. If you think otherwise you are kidding yourself.

AR-15's sure are fun though but so are grenade launchers and large bombs. I suppose we should be able to arm ourselves with those as well.

No. Most were not shot in the first few seconds. The only way you can kill than many people in a few seconds is with a fully automatic weapon. Those have been illegal for citizens to own for decades. If such a thing was capable with an AR-15 you'd have to pull the trigger every second. With recoil, you'd never be able to control the weapon firing that rapidly. So, some who say that an AR-15 can shoot 400 rounds per minute fail to realize that you could never move your finger that fast let alone load new clips since a 400 round clip simply doesn't exist for this weapon. The clip would be like five feet long.

Also, someone skilled with a revolver can do more damage than someone with a semiautomatic with no training. If I think otherwise, it's because I shoot all the time and I'm familiar with weapon capabilities.

Finally, I'd have no problem with citizens using grenade launchers, etc. if there was a justified reason to revolt against one's government. The protections we grant ourselves to own and use guns are primarily entrenched in the American Constitution to allow us to protect ourselves and our property, especially from a tyrannical government. If you can't grasp that basic right then you fail to understand even why we have a constitution.

 

[britbox]

If they are law abiding citizens then there is no justification for denying them this right. Certainly there should be training for such weapons, but that is a matter of administrative detail than can be solved in the market. Don't confuse the logic of allowing and reinforcing basic liberties and natural rights with unlikely hypothetical outcomes. With logic such as the you one you speculate, one can develop any possibility to deny someone even the right to live.

The problem is that these unlikely hypothetical outcomes are becoming commonplace.

 

[Asmodeus]

The problem is that these unlikely hypothetical outcomes are becoming commonplace.

But that is the price of freedom that we have to pay. Now, I'm not saying we need to accept it. But we do need a better way of addressing these now commonplace events. How do we solve these problems? I certainly don't think that limiting or completely restricting gun ownership for law abiding citizens is the proper avenue to travel. I also would have a very difficult time limiting or targeting certain groups, as well. That is, nearly all terrorist attacks are committed by Muslims so we should segregate them. No! That is the wrong solution if we believe in freedom and individual rights.