Tennis Frontier Rome Draw Challenge

[Moxie]

Just a head's up: The draw for Rome comes out midday tomorrow. You'll have just a couple of days to make picks. I'd nominate Riotbeard to run the challenge, since Madrid was such a wash-out, but we could discuss, if RB is completely disillusioned by the Madrid experience.

 

[isabelle]

Youngderer, Gasquet, Monfils, Almagro are out

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Youngderer, Gasquet, Monfils, Almagro are out

others understandable, what is up with magro?

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

Youngderer, Gasquet, Monfils, Almagro are out

others understandable, what is up with magro?

I thought he had a foot injury going back to before the Nadal match. Maybe he is still dealing with it.

 

[Moxie]

Youngderer, Gasquet, Monfils, Almagro are out

others understandable, what is up with magro?

I thought he had a foot injury going back to before the Nadal match. Maybe he is still dealing with it.

It was still bothering him during the Murray match, so I think it's still that.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

Roger defending 600 finals points there. David lost in quarters. Also considering David adding more points this week, there is a chance David can take over the 4th. seed from Roger before RG. That would suck for Roger.

 

[Moxie]

They've done the draw, but haven't officially put it up yet. Federer is still in, according to the draw. He's in Djokovic's half, with Nishikori in Djokovic's quarter. Wawrinka in Rafa's half, with Murray in his quarter.

http://www.tennisworlditalia.com/ATP-ROMA---MAIN-DRAW-Nadal-e-Wawrinka-in-alto-Djokovic-e-Federer-in-basso-articolo20140.html

 

[GameSetAndMath]

They've done the draw, but haven't officially put it up yet. Federer is still in, according to the draw. He's in Djokovic's half, with Nishikori in Djokovic's quarter. Wawrinka in Rafa's half, with Murray in his quarter.

http://www.tennisworlditalia.com/ATP-ROMA---MAIN-DRAW-Nadal-e-Wawrinka-in-alto-Djokovic-e-Federer-in-basso-articolo20140.html

Yes, I had a strong feeling that isabelle is simply making an educated guess about Fed.
If Fed had decided definitely that he will not play, he will surely tell them before the
draw. This basically means that Fed is considering playing and will decide in the last
moment.

Also, after isabelle's post I was searching all news outlets for an annoucment about
Fed's withdrawal and could not find any.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

Tsonga-Dog is a tight match up for a first rounder.
Another Ferrer-NiKo match looms if NiKo can get past Gulbis, who is also playing good tennis.
JJ-Kohly is a match up of two struggling guys and one has to win, so it is good news for that person.
Murray -Nadal is a match I hope takes place.

 

[Riotbeard]

Hey mox! I don't mind running rome, if we are not worrying about madrid. That being said, I might not be able to get picks in for it. Life and travel are crazy for the next few days, so I might not start paying attention for a few days.

Side note: boy have we all been sleeping on Kei nishikori?! what a couple of weeks!

 

[Moxie]

Hey mox! I don't mind running rome, if we are not worrying about madrid. That being said, I might not be able to get picks in for it. Life and travel are crazy for the next few days, so I might not start paying attention for a few days.

Side note: boy have we all been sleeping on Kei nishikori?! what a couple of weeks!

Actually, I think a lot picked Nishikori as their DH for Madrid. I believe he has yet to lose a match on clay this year. Since you have a busy few days, I'll sweep up the end of Madrid…i.e., count the points…if you like. (And, in fairness, if we ever do a final accounting for the year in the Draw Challenge, I think we should leave it out, for all the craziness.)

Yes, you run the Rome challenge, then. Please repost the rules. And at the risk of being a scold…sit with the draw for 5 minutes. I know you can make some picks! :clap

 

[herios]

Yes, I had a strong feeling that isabelle is simply making an educated guess about Fed.
If Fed had decided definitely that he will not play, he will surely tell them before the
draw. This basically means that Fed is considering playing and will decide in the last
moment.

Also, after isabelle's post I was searching all news outlets for an annoucment about
Fed's withdrawal and could not find any.

Right on, in the last announcement posted by ATP, Roger will make a last minute decision, if he tackles Rome or not

 

[Moxie]

Yes, I had a strong feeling that isabelle is simply making an educated guess about Fed.
If Fed had decided definitely that he will not play, he will surely tell them before the
draw. This basically means that Fed is considering playing and will decide in the last
moment.

Also, after isabelle's post I was searching all news outlets for an annoucment about
Fed's withdrawal and could not find any.

Right on, in the last announcement posted by ATP, Roger will make a last minute decision, if he tackles Rome or not

This from tennis.com on Roger waiting to decide, and Djokovic's wrist and his two coaches.

With the uncertainties, I'm going to wait until Sunday or Monday to make picks. It's too boring to keep doing them over again. :-/

 

[GameSetAndMath]

1. Assuming Roger does not play in Rome. if Ferrer reaches SF or higher at Rome,
he will be ranked at #4 ahead of Federer. This will give a crucial advantage in the
seedings for French Open. However, the chances of this happening is less
considering Ferrer is in Novak's quarter and most probably needs to defeat
Novak in order to reach Semifinals in Rome. This is an argument in support
of Roger sitting it out.

2. On the other hand Roger seems to have a fairly easy draw and should
be expecting to make it to SF fairly easily. Milos, Tsonga and Fog are the other
seeds in Roger's quarter (and there is also dog generally hanging around there).
I do not see a major threat from any of these folks. So, playing in Rome would
give him an easy way of getting 360 points and getting some practice in
conditions similar to RG (and give him an excuse not to deal with diapers ).
This is an argument in support of Roger playing it.

3. In case, Ferrer surpasses Roger in Rome, Roger CANNOT try to regain his
place back by taking a wildcard and playing in Nice or Duesseldrogf at the last minute.
The reason being that the results of Nice and Duesseldrof tournaments will not be
taken into account for seeding purposes at RG. In other words, although the
risk of Roger losing his spot in top 4 may be minimal, if it materializes then
there is no recourse to deal with seeding problem until RG ends at least.

In the end, I believe Roger will probably make the decision purely based
or at least primarily based on the family and home situation.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

Hey, I did pick NiKo to play the Madrid final! Pretty much the only thing I picked correct though...:blush:

 

[Moxie]

Hey, I did pick NiKo to play the Madrid final! Pretty much the only thing I picked correct though...:blush:

Folks will be getting points on that call.

 

[Moxie]

1. Assuming Roger does not play in Rome. if Ferrer reaches SF or higher at Rome,
he will be ranked at #4 ahead of Federer. This will give a crucial advantage in the
seedings for French Open. However, the chances of this happening is less
considering Ferrer is in Novak's quarter and most probably needs to defeat
Novak in order to reach Semifinals in Rome. This is an argument in support
of Roger sitting it out.

2. On the other hand Roger seems to have a fairly easy draw and should
be expecting to make it to SF fairly easily. Milos, Tsonga and Fog are the other
seeds in Roger's quarter (and there is also dog generally hanging around there).
I do not see a major threat from any of these folks. So, playing in Rome would
give him an easy way of getting 360 points and getting some practice in
conditions similar to RG (and give him an excuse not to deal with diapers ).
This is an argument in support of Roger playing it.

3. In case, Ferrer surpasses Roger in Rome, Roger CANNOT try to regain his
place back by taking a wildcard and playing in Nice or Duesseldrogf at the last minute.
The reason being that the results of Nice and Duesseldrof tournaments will not be
taken into account for seeding purposes at RG. In other words, although the
risk of Roger losing his spot in top 4 may be minimal, if it materializes then
there is no recourse to deal with seeding problem until RG ends at least.

In the end, I believe Roger will probably make the decision purely based
or at least primarily based on the family and home situation.

I don't see why Roger would bail, unless there is some emergency with the twins or Mirka. He's committed to play it, and if anyone has the experience of what it means to have infant twins at home, it's Roger. I'm sure that the grandparents are all there, and they MUST have good nannies.

 

[Riotbeard]

RULES!!!!!

The draw should be out soon, and I am traveling on the 1st, so I thought I would get this out there. I am pretty sure these are the finalized rules. Picks must be made by the end of the first round. It really devalues wild card and dark horse picks if you can make them once you know who makes the round of 16.

Here are the rules, get ready everyone! Thanks GSM (who I pretty much copied and pasted this from). Have fun!

Regular Picks:

Pick 8 quarterfinalists (5 points each)
Pick 4 semifinalists from your 8 quarterfinalist picks (10 points each)
Pick 2 finalists from your 4 semifinalist picks (20 points each)
Pick 1 winner from your 2 finalist picks (40 points).

Your picks above should be COMPLETELY consistent. Also, you get points for each
correct pick (and not the maximum a player reaches). So, if you pick Nadal as
winner in MC and he wins Nadal alone will fetch you 5+10+20+40 = 75 points.

Dark Horse: You cannot name the defending champion or any one of the top 4 seeds
(not rankings) of the tournament as the dark horse. Your dark horse can
be one of your regular picks as well. But, one of your regular picks can be
a dark horse only if they meet the definition. You get points only if your
dark horse wins the whole event. In that case, you get 40 points. Otherwise
you get 0 points, even if your DH ends up being a finalist.

Wild Card: You cannot name the defending champion or previous year's finalist
or any one of the top 16 seeds (not rankings) of the tournament as
the wild card. You get 5 points if your WC reaches QF and not higher,
you get 10 points if your WC reaches SF and not higher, you get 20 points
if your WC is a finalist and not higherand you get 40 points if your WC
wins the event. Note that unlike the regular picks, the points that a WC
fetches you is based on the maximum level reached by him. Your WC
can be one of the regular picks. One of your regular picks can be a WC
as long as he meets the definition above. Finally, your WC can be the
same as DH as long as he meets both definitions.

The maximum amount of points that can be won by anyone is 240 (40 for QF picks,
40 for SF picks, 40 for finalist picks and 40 for the winner pick, 40 for DH pick and
40 for WC pick).

 

[Moxie]

Alright, I said I'd wait, but someone has to start…while we watch SNL:

QFs:

Nadal v. Murray (finally?!)
Bautista Agut v. Wawrinka
Dolgopolov v. Federer
Djokovic v. Nishikori

SFs:

Nadal v. Wawrinka
Federer v. Nishikori

DH: Gulbis

WC: Bautista Agut

I'm not sure those are all right, but I'll have to change it anyway, when some people drop out.

It's a start.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

1. Assuming Roger does not play in Rome. if Ferrer reaches SF or higher at Rome,
he will be ranked at #4 ahead of Federer. This will give a crucial advantage in the
seedings for French Open. However, the chances of this happening is less
considering Ferrer is in Novak's quarter and most probably needs to defeat
Novak in order to reach Semifinals in Rome. This is an argument in support
of Roger sitting it out.

2. On the other hand Roger seems to have a fairly easy draw and should
be expecting to make it to SF fairly easily. Milos, Tsonga and Fog are the other
seeds in Roger's quarter (and there is also dog generally hanging around there).
I do not see a major threat from any of these folks. So, playing in Rome would
give him an easy way of getting 360 points and getting some practice in
conditions similar to RG (and give him an excuse not to deal with diapers ).
This is an argument in support of Roger playing it.

3. In case, Ferrer surpasses Roger in Rome, Roger CANNOT try to regain his
place back by taking a wildcard and playing in Nice or Duesseldrogf at the last minute.
The reason being that the results of Nice and Duesseldrof tournaments will not be
taken into account for seeding purposes at RG. In other words, although the
risk of Roger losing his spot in top 4 may be minimal, if it materializes then
there is no recourse to deal with seeding problem until RG ends at least.

In the end, I believe Roger will probably make the decision purely based
or at least primarily based on the family and home situation.

I don't see why Roger would bail, unless there is some emergency with the twins or Mirka. He's committed to play it, and if anyone has the experience of what it means to have infant twins at home, it's Roger. I'm sure that the grandparents are all there, and they MUST have good nannies.

I don't think there is any emergency. I was thinking more along the lines of Fed
staying at home as a way of showing moral support consider that the babies are less
than a week old.

However, we all saw reports (which are confirmed now) that Fed is hitting with
future top 100 player Nick Grygios during the last week. So, may be he really wants
to play in Rome.