Nadal fans are a disgrace

[King Roger]

How can you support someone who’s vultured slams because of easy draws or opponents retiring with injury? How can you support a man who claims he has career threatening injuries only to go and win Roland Garros without dropping a set. A man who has a completely lopsided career on a surface that’s not even important anymore and is represented by the worst grand slam out of the 4.
1 Wimbledon title is worthy of 10 Roland Garros titles, so his achievements on clay mean absolute diddly squat. As stated before, Federer draws throughout his career have been unbelievably difficult, and Nadal gets draws which include Bob the builder and Tim Henman. It’s a farce his career is still going and Nadal fans should hang their heads in shame for having such a garbage outlook on life

 

[Nadalfan2013]

It’s Djokovic who had an opponent retiring from injury not Nadal. Lol

And meeting Djokovic in a AO final is the hardest draw possible.

Have a nice day ex-King Roger! Stop shaking out of fear.

 

[King Roger]

It’s Djokovic who had an opponent retiring from injury not Nadal. Lol

And meeting Djokovic in a AO final is the hardest draw possible.

Have a nice day ex-King Roger! Stop shaking out of fear.

I’d say the same to you but Nadal will get demolished soon

 

[King Roger]

It’s Djokovic who had an opponent retiring from injury not Nadal. Lol

And meeting Djokovic in a AO final is the hardest draw possible.

Have a nice day ex-King Roger! Stop shaking out of fear.

No, meeting Federer in the final is the hardest draw possible

 

[Front242]

No, meeting Federer in the final is the hardest draw possible

I'd agree if he was at 2017 or AO 2018 level but he was unfortunately garbage in his last match. What makes it so much more disappointing is he played like a beast in Hopman Cup and, aside from some dodgy return of serve, he was pretty good against Dan Evans too and then next match couldn't convert a break point to save his life literally.

 

[Vince Evert]

I'd agree if he was at 2017 or AO 2018 level but he was unfortunately garbage in his last match. What makes it so much more disappointing is he played like a beast in Hopman Cup and, aside from some dodgy return of serve, he was pretty good against Dan Evans too and then next match couldn't convert a break point to save his life literally.

well said. Not to take anything away from young kid from greece but Roger;s ROS was poor especially notable with him failing to convert on 10 break points.

 

[Front242]

^ It was actually 0-12 break points I believe which is even worse

 

[tented]

^ It was actually 0-12 break points I believe which is even worse

His worst ever, I believe. At least someone on ESPN said that. Even in the 08 RG & Wimbledon finals he was 1-17 & 1-13 — but this time, zero converted.

 

[MikeOne]

How can you support someone who’s vultured slams because of easy draws or opponents retiring with injury? How can you support a man who claims he has career threatening injuries only to go and win Roland Garros without dropping a set. A man who has a completely lopsided career on a surface that’s not even important anymore and is represented by the worst grand slam out of the 4.
1 Wimbledon title is worthy of 10 Roland Garros titles, so his achievements on clay mean absolute diddly squat. As stated before, Federer draws throughout his career have been unbelievably difficult, and Nadal gets draws which include Bob the builder and Tim Henman. It’s a farce his career is still going and Nadal fans should hang their heads in shame for having such a garbage outlook on life

haha... trolling...

remember Nadal was the one that dethroned Fed for first time in 08 Wimbledon and took him to 5 sets in 07 final, guess Fed was a weak opponent huh?

winning the French is not about just stamina and fitness, you need to be able to hit powerfully. This is why Soderling, Del Potro and Stan have done well at the French, you need weapons and i would argue more weapons than what you need on other surfaces. See, on clay, the court doesn't help you hit winners so you need to create them! Testament to Nadal's power... even Stan got crushed.

Rafa has 2 Wimbledon's (including 3 other finals), 3 US Open's and 1 AO, hardly a 1 dimensional player. Anyone with 2 Wimbledons, 3 USOs and 1 AO would be called a complete, amazing player but since Rafa is a GOD on clay, haters will be hating.

btw, all of us can make similar arguments about Federer and Djoker.

'Federer fans should be ashamed of how Federer preyed on weak competition between 04-07, only a baby Rafa was around and once Djoker came into form, Fed was pushed aside. The fact that a baby Rafa was able to push peak Fed to 5 sets in 07 wimbledon (his favorite surface) and defeat him in 08 final, is shameful. Also, Fed only won French cause Nadal was injured and lost early, pathetic. Fed would have very few slams if peak Nole and peak Rafa played between 04-07, what a disgrace'

'Djokovic fans should be ashamed of themselves, Djoker was destroyed by peak Rafa and peak Fed but once they got old, he feasted on past their primes Fed and Rafa, and we think he's goat? utter disgrace'

and we can call Rafa fans shameful for Nadal being nothing but a defensive player who trolls on clay and has been lucky to feast on injured, old players in his 3 USOs, 1 AO and 2 Wimbledon wins shameful Rafa fans!.

Trolling is easy...

 

[atttomole]

Fans should be ashamed because no younger player has risen to challenge the top guys for the grand slams. No one who is 5 to 7 years younger than Rafa or Djokovic has been able to challenge them, which means it will be between the 2 of them if Federer retirees much earlier than them.

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

Fans should be ashamed because no younger player has risen to challenge the top guys for the grand slams. No one who is 5 to 7 years younger than Rafa or Djokovic has been able to challenge them, which means it will be between the 2 of them if Federer retirees much earlier than them.

Agreed,
except IMO it will be all Djokovic from now except maybe the occasional clay appearance from Nadal

 

[calitennis127]

How can you support someone who’s vultured slams because of easy draws or opponents retiring with injury? How can you support a man who claims he has career threatening injuries only to go and win Roland Garros without dropping a set. A man who has a completely lopsided career on a surface that’s not even important anymore and is represented by the worst grand slam out of the 4.
1 Wimbledon title is worthy of 10 Roland Garros titles, so his achievements on clay mean absolute diddly squat. As stated before, Federer draws throughout his career have been unbelievably difficult, and Nadal gets draws which include Bob the builder and Tim Henman. It’s a farce his career is still going and Nadal fans should hang their heads in shame for having such a garbage outlook on life

I agree that Nadal fans are generally a disgrace but I don't follow your reasoning here. Both Djokovic and Federer have underachieved mightily at the French Open, where there is no way Nadal should have 11 French Open titles. Federer's gameplan against him was a joke, and Djokovic simply flopped on multiple occasions, including 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2018.

Also, Djokovic has underperformed at the US Open, and that is not Nadal's fault. Djokovic was in complete control in the 2013 final and gave it away. He also had a 3-match win streak against Nadal going into the 2010 final and did not bring anywhere close to his A game in the final. Not to mention Fed's folding against Delpo in 2017 before he had the opportunity to play Nadal in the final.

 

[MikeOne]

I agree that Nadal fans are generally a disgrace but I don't follow your reasoning here. Both Djokovic and Federer have underachieved mightily at the French Open, where there is no way Nadal should have 11 French Open titles. Federer's gameplan against him was a joke, and Djokovic simply flopped on multiple occasions, including 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2018.

Also, Djokovic has underperformed at the US Open, and that is not Nadal's fault. Djokovic was in complete control in the 2013 final and gave it away. He also had a 3-match win streak against Nadal going into the 2010 final and did not bring anywhere close to his A game in the final. Not to mention Fed's folding against Delpo in 2017 before he had the opportunity to play Nadal in the final.

how can you consider yourself remotely objective when you never give credit to when Nadal wins and always find an excuse when Djokovic and Federer lose. This is disgraceful, you should be ashamed of yourself...

Nadal has won 11 FOs for one reason only - he is amazing. You talk about the big hitters yet Stan DESTROYED Djokovic in 2015 FO final and Nadal DESTROYED Stan in 2016 FO final. I saw Nadal in person that year and it was an amazing experience, his opponent was on the defense all match and was getting absolutely overpowered. Djokovic will never be able to do to Stan what Rafa did to Stan, Stan is Djokovic's daddy and Nadal is Stan's daddy. Tennis is about matchups, even you should know that.

If you knew anything about tennis, you would accept that Nadal is an offensive player and an extremely talented player. Look at how Nadal destroyed and overpowered Tsitsipas... this wasn't defensive tennis, it was an all out offensive assault. What was the excuse? he wasn't ready to beat Nadal? but he was ready to beat Fed? really? Tsitsi hit more winners than Federer when he beat him yet less winners than Nadal when he lost to Rafa. How can this be? How can Nadal outwinner Tsitsi when Tsitsi outwinnered Fed? Let's hear the excuses... what about big powerful Berdych? How did Nadal outwinner him too? oh, they all just played bad and were scared, i see.

you just don't understand much about tennis... Styles make match-ups. Djokovic's defense bothers Rafa more than nole's offense does. It's not that Djokovic is much more offensive than Nadal, it's how he moves and defends ontop of his offensive qualities that makes Djoker so good, but he's GOAT on hardcourts. Take Djoker's defense away and Nadal would crush him with winners... Djoker takes winners away from Nadal and this frustrates Rafa. This is why Nadal sometimes destroys powerful players on hardcourts but can't destroy Djoker - Djoker's defense is what all these other offensive players don't have.

learn tennis!

 

[atttomole]

how can you consider yourself remotely objective when you never give credit to when Nadal wins and always find an excuse when Djokovic and Federer lose. This is disgraceful, you should be ashamed of yourself...

Nadal has won 11 FOs for one reason only - he is amazing. You talk about the big hitters yet Stan DESTROYED Djokovic in 2015 FO final and Nadal DESTROYED Stan in 2016 FO final. I saw Nadal in person that year and it was an amazing experience, his opponent was on the defense all match and was getting absolutely overpowered. Djokovic will never be able to do to Stan what Rafa did to Stan, Stan is Djokovic's daddy and Nadal is Stan's daddy. Tennis is about matchups, even you should know that.

If you knew anything about tennis, you would accept that Nadal is an offensive player and an extremely talented player. Look at how Nadal destroyed and overpowered Tsitsipas... this wasn't defensive tennis, it was an all out offensive assault. What was the excuse? he wasn't ready to beat Nadal? but he was ready to beat Fed? really? Tsitsi hit more winners than Federer when he beat him yet less winners than Nadal when he lost to Rafa. How can this be? How can Nadal outwinner Tsitsi when Tsitsi outwinnered Fed? Let's hear the excuses... what about big powerful Berdych? How did Nadal outwinner him too? oh, they all just played bad and were scared, i see.

you just don't understand much about tennis... Styles make match-ups. Djokovic's defense bothers Rafa more than his offense, it's not that Djokovic is much more offensive than Nadal, it's how he moves and defends ontop of his offensive qualities that makes Djoker so good, but he's GOAT on hardcourts. Take Djoker's defense away and Nadal would crush him with winners... Djoker takes winners away from Nadal and this frustrates him. This is why Nadal sometimes destroys powerful players on hardcourts but can't destroy Djoker - Djoker's defense is sublime.

learn tennis!

Djokovic has great defence, but I think Nadal is the most defensive ever. However, Nadal has been attacking a lot more recently. He has been hitting winners from all over the court and his drop shot is amazing.

 

[Moxie]

Djokovic has great defence, but I think Nadal is the most defensive ever. However, Nadal has been attacking a lot more recently. He has been hitting winners from all over the court and his drop shot is amazing.

"The most defensive ever" is a long way from the truth. There wouldn't be 17 Majors. You don't really understand how Nadal constructs points to get himself into a winning position. Maybe it just surprises you all the times you hear commentators say "the best at turning defense to offense." Don't buy into the cliches. Use your eyes.

 

[Moxie]

how can you consider yourself remotely objective when you never give credit to when Nadal wins and always find an excuse when Djokovic and Federer lose. This is disgraceful, you should be ashamed of yourself...

Nadal has won 11 FOs for one reason only - he is amazing. You talk about the big hitters yet Stan DESTROYED Djokovic in 2015 FO final and Nadal DESTROYED Stan in 2016 FO final. I saw Nadal in person that year and it was an amazing experience, his opponent was on the defense all match and was getting absolutely overpowered. Djokovic will never be able to do to Stan what Rafa did to Stan, Stan is Djokovic's daddy and Nadal is Stan's daddy. Tennis is about matchups, even you should know that.

If you knew anything about tennis, you would accept that Nadal is an offensive player and an extremely talented player. Look at how Nadal destroyed and overpowered Tsitsipas... this wasn't defensive tennis, it was an all out offensive assault. What was the excuse? he wasn't ready to beat Nadal? but he was ready to beat Fed? really? Tsitsi hit more winners than Federer when he beat him yet less winners than Nadal when he lost to Rafa. How can this be? How can Nadal outwinner Tsitsi when Tsitsi outwinnered Fed? Let's hear the excuses... what about big powerful Berdych? How did Nadal outwinner him too? oh, they all just played bad and were scared, i see.

you just don't understand much about tennis... Styles make match-ups. Djokovic's defense bothers Rafa more than nole's offense does. It's not that Djokovic is much more offensive than Nadal, it's how he moves and defends ontop of his offensive qualities that makes Djoker so good, but he's GOAT on hardcourts. Take Djoker's defense away and Nadal would crush him with winners... Djoker takes winners away from Nadal and this frustrates Rafa. This is why Nadal sometimes destroys powerful players on hardcourts but can't destroy Djoker - Djoker's defense is what all these other offensive players don't have.

learn tennis!

Cali lives in a parallel universe in which Nadal is spectacularly untalented...he just gets lucky and his betters play crap, all too often. Funny, that's what the trolls around here say. He also got it wrong that Federer and Nadal might have met in the final of the 2017 USO...they were on the same side of the draw.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

baby rafa ?..come on,, don't start flogging the already flogged dead horse :spank: there never was a baby wafa,

age 18/19/20/21 he was a physical beast able to go 3/4/5 hrs with anyone who wanted it.

 

[MikeOne]

Djokovic has great defence, but I think Nadal is the most defensive ever. However, Nadal has been attacking a lot more recently. He has been hitting winners from all over the court and his drop shot is amazing.

on hard courts, Nadal is a VERY poor defender. When he's relying on defense on hard courts, he loses. There are several reasons why Nadal is a poor defender on hard courts but main reason is his fh. For Nadal to hit his forehand with power and place it deep he needs time, his take back and swing motion requires a bit of time. If you notice, on clay, Nadal looks powerful and usually bullies his opponents from side to side, look at how he crushed Wawrinka. This is because clay gives him a bit of time to set up for the fh so he can unleash fury. On hards, when opponents hit flat to his fh, he doesn't have time to hit it well and leaves the ball short, Djokovic knows this more than anyone and oftentimes attacks Nadal's forehand more than he attacks Nadal's bh. Rafa has been forced to play aggressive, offensive tennis to win hardcourt slams, his defense is SH%T on hard courts. Djokovic and Murray are WAY WAY better defenders than Nadal on hard courts, it's not even close. It's because they can take the ball earlier, their backswings are tighter and both have an ability to hit defensive shots deep and flat, something Nadal struggles to do. Just pay attention to how weak Nadal's fh is on the defensive and then see how well Murray and Djoker place the ball from defensive positions. On clay, it's a different story, Rafa has more time to set up his fh and hit incredible TOPSPIN shots off defense, rafa is, the best defender on clay but subpar on hard courts.

the other measure of defense is what players tend to do when they are given a ball they can attack. If you pay close attention to Rafa, Murray and Djoker, you will see VERY CLEARLY that Djoker and Murray tend to rally, just put ball back in play MUCH more often than Nadal when they get a ball they can attack. Nadal, almost ALWAYS, goes on the offensive the minute you give him a ball he can attack, always going for a corner or winner. You will see Murray or Djoker just put ball in play even when they have a chance to pounce. It was the same for Hewitt and guys like Simon... Nadal attacks you almost every time you give him a ball he can attack.

Sometimes i feel people don't actually analyze the games... There is a tendency to belittle Nadal's offense just because he has won 11 FOs but what people fail to realize is that only defense will NEVER get you 11 FOs.. IMPOSSIBLE. The most successful clay courters in past 5-10 years have been BIG hitters - Federer, Soderling, Del Potro, Novak (although Novak is a great defender), Stan Wawrinka. Guga himself was a big hitter, you need to HIT BIG to win on clay! Even Isner has had success on clay.

 

[MikeOne]

Cali lives in a parallel universe in which Nadal is spectacularly untalented...he just gets lucky and his betters play crap, all too often. Funny, that's what the trolls around here say. He also got it wrong that Federer and Nadal might have met in the final of the 2017 USO...they were on the same side of the draw.

SEE, i know Cali very well...he is just a very angry man because his idol Nalbandian never did sh&t. To him, nalbandian is GOAT, just never trained hard which is SH%T. I saw Nalbandian LIVE at USO and he was totally outclassed by Youhzny... he made Youhzny look like a god that day. Nalbandian had 1/2 the talent Nadal has and this why he only managed to make 1 slam final vs Rafa winning 17 and making another 5 or so finals. No amount of hard work can explain such a startling difference, it's talent, abilities, athleticism too. Nalbandian had a beautiful game but he could only manage to work his magic to it's full extent on courts that suited his game - indoor courts. Outside of indoor courts that aided his game, he was subpar.. even got crushed by Lleyton Hewitt in Wimbledon finals. The difference between Nadal and Nalbandian is not just hard work and mind, it's a lot more - physical attributes and TALENT. Nalbandian was SH%T compared to Nadal. Rafa has 17 slams and Nalbandian has 3 matches that pretty much define his career - win over Roger in end of year atp tour finals and win over Rafa and roger at Paris and Madrid masters. This, to cali, is > 17 slams which shows cali knows nothing about tennis..

 

[Carol]

How can you support someone who’s vultured slams because of easy draws or opponents retiring with injury? How can you support a man who claims he has career threatening injuries only to go and win Roland Garros without dropping a set. A man who has a completely lopsided career on a surface that’s not even important anymore and is represented by the worst grand slam out of the 4.
1 Wimbledon title is worthy of 10 Roland Garros titles, so his achievements on clay mean absolute diddly squat. As stated before, Federer draws throughout his career have been unbelievably difficult, and Nadal gets draws which include Bob the builder and Tim Henman. It’s a farce his career is still going and Nadal fans should hang their heads in shame for having such a garbage outlook on life

How you have the guts to open this thread when Federer's fans (not everyone) are the most angry and disgrace than any player's fans have? in what world you live before to be such a pathetic hater?. You should focus and been more worry about your "king" instead to critic others, and talking about the draws? come on, Federer many times has played with the most easy draws, you should be quiet before to talk so much garbage which makes you to look a bad loser and dumb. Hey, we could talk a lot about your idol too but I don't think it would be worth to go dawn to your level, word!