Mr. Andy Murray have won just 1 maters after joining with Mr. Lendl ( Two years)

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This is most surprising statistics about Mr . Murray

Everybody is considering he is improved after joining Mr Lendl . Records tells the story.

Here is list winners In last two years .

1) Mr. Nadal - 7
2) Mr. Djokovic - 6
3) Mr. Federer ( old ) - 3
4) Mr. Murray ( OBE) - 1 ( Match point down )
5) Mr. Ferrer - 1

Before arrival of Mr. Lendl he was winning at least two per
season but now almost zero .

Is he really improved?
 

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...and two majors. I wonder which is more significant.
 

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As far as Masters 1000s, it's not easy to say.
The sport is not played by one man.

Mr. Murray may have improved overall, but it appears as though his chief competitors have kept pace or better and have the better results in Masters 1000s.

So one can say relative to these other players, in Masters 1000s he has been worse.

As far as majors go in the last 2 years, it appears as if he has improved - winning 2, though he may have also benefited from some of other top players' misfortunes or decline.

Still, I doubt if he would trade his slam wins for any number of masters in those 2 years even though the Masters 1000s would be worth far more points and money. For most players, winning Wimbledon is their greatest dream. And Mr. Murray is no exception.

So I believe Mr. Lendl has done the job for which he was hired. He was at the helm when Murray won his majors, which even drew a smile or two from his usual on-court stoic demeanor.

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If he is improved , Where is results ? Where is consistency?

Djokovic improved in 2011 , and won 3 slams , and five masters . Also 6 more masters and 2 more slams in last two season.
I don't believe this stuff " Post lendl Murray is much better "
until he achieves more , rather than two fluke slams.
 

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fastgrass said:
If he is improved , Where is results ? Where is consistency?

Djokovic improved in 2011 , and won 3 slams , and five masters . Also 6 more masters and 2 more slams in last two season.
I don't believe this stuff " Post lendl Murray is much better "
until he achieves more , rather than two fluke slams.

Are you trolling?

Murray joined forces with Lendl in 2012, and has since won two majors. Here are your results...

Anyway, arguing in your threads is futile since soon enough you'll be taking walks with Nadal2005...
 

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There's a very simple explanation to that and it only requires going beyond the simple minds that we tend to resort to because, let's face it, we don't like the player we speak of.

Anyway, the simple explanation is that, Lendl's appointment had never anything to do with Masters as Murray, by that time, had won many of those. Therefore, Lendl's appointment had everything to do with winning his first Slam and possibly Wimbledon. So the main focus had always been winning the first Slam and never Masters.

As to consistency, again, consistency wasn't the main deal here but winning the first Slam. Andy has been very consistent with or without Lendl in Majors, that is, if we take time and care to notice. So that again wasn't the issue. The issue had always been winning his first Slam that he failed to do despite making the finals a few times. He had absolutely no other reasons to hire Lendl other than to help him win his first Slam. You need to take a look at the priorities he had in place at that time and what he had achieved by that time already and you will find the answer there.

Even still, Andy doesn't need to be highly consistent - certainly not as consistent as either Federer or Nole (two of the most consistent players of this era in my opinion) - as long as he focuses on to win more Majors. His priorities are very different than the others and will always be, so his consistency will be directly related to that. Rest assured, he'll be very consistent in Majors where things matter the most - for him anyway.

Is post Lendl Murray better? Yes, of course. He has now 2 Slams behind him and a few more to come. The mental obstacle he always had in Slam finals are now long gone. The only task he has now ahead of him is to deal with Nadal in a Major and it may come at the expense of another Major, but as long as he takes care of it, it will free him forever. And he will achieve what he wants.
 

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Broken_Shoelace said:
fastgrass said:
If he is improved , Where is results ? Where is consistency?

Djokovic improved in 2011 , and won 3 slams , and five masters . Also 6 more masters and 2 more slams in last two season.
I don't believe this stuff " Post lendl Murray is much better "
until he achieves more , rather than two fluke slams.

Are you trolling?

Murray joined forces with Lendl in 2012, and has since won two majors. Here are your results...

Anyway, arguing in your threads is futile since soon enough you'll be taking walks with Nadal2005...

or he is Nadal2005.....
 

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ricardo said:
Broken_Shoelace said:
fastgrass said:
If he is improved , Where is results ? Where is consistency?

Djokovic improved in 2011 , and won 3 slams , and five masters . Also 6 more masters and 2 more slams in last two season.
I don't believe this stuff " Post lendl Murray is much better "
until he achieves more , rather than two fluke slams.

Are you trolling?

Murray joined forces with Lendl in 2012, and has since won two majors. Here are your results...

Anyway, arguing in your threads is futile since soon enough you'll be taking walks with Nadal2005...

or he is Nadal2005.....

Very much doubt it as he's started a thread about next year being Nadal's worst year since 2005. The 2005 part is a mere coincidence.
 

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I think Murray should sack Mr Lendl and hire - er - Mr Lendl. Last guy he coached won two slams, which isn't chick feed, in tennis terms...
 

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Kieran said:
I think Murray should sack Mr Lendl and hire - er - Mr Lendl. Last guy he coached won two slams, which isn't chick feed, in tennis terms...

let's just say Murray fluked those two majors, without Lendl's help......
 
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ricardo said:
Broken_Shoelace said:
fastgrass said:
If he is improved , Where is results ? Where is consistency?

Djokovic improved in 2011 , and won 3 slams , and five masters . Also 6 more masters and 2 more slams in last two season.
I don't believe this stuff " Post lendl Murray is much better "
until he achieves more , rather than two fluke slams.

Are you trolling?

Murray joined forces with Lendl in 2012, and has since won two majors. Here are your results...

Anyway, arguing in your threads is futile since soon enough you'll be taking walks with Nadal2005...

or he is Nadal2005.....

That confirmed fact I have assumed regarding you , 8 years old . Go to bed baby !
 

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Murray has a goal as well of one day being #1 and he will never get there unless he start performing on a consistent basis accross all surfaces. Now that all demons has been exorcise, I'm sure we will see him winning more MS events and perhaps even make a first final on clay. No need to question a player with talent and work ethic second to none.

oh damn it.......fastgrass it's fast gone in a minute pretty soon
 

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fartgrass is trolling, I told you lot before..

he was banned at least multiple times from tt..looks like he has given up on there and started his dreary pointless rubbish on here.
 

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huntingyou said:
Murray has a goal as well of one day being #1 and he will never get there unless he start performing on a consistent basis accross all surfaces. Now that all demons has been exorcise, I'm sure we will see him winning more MS events and perhaps even make a first final on clay. No need to question a player with talent and work ethic second to none.

oh damn it.......fastgrass it's fast gone in a minute pretty soon

Who told you Murray has a goal to be No. 1? I don't remember him saying that. In fact, he said he'd like to win as many majors as possible from this point on. But he does need to be a bit more consistent in other tournaments just to stay in top 4, so that he can get a reasonable draws in Majors going forward.

And it certainly doesn't have to be across all surfaces even if he goes for No. 1. Sampras was never consistent on clay and yet, it never stopped him from being No. 1 for six years in a row. He just calculated his schedules in a very smart way. He kept his consistency alive in the other 3 Majors, WTF and some Masters and those were enough for him to stay at No. 1 and win 14 Majors. So being great on 2 out of 3 surfaces is enough.

Sampras made 3 QTR finals, 1 semi at RG and won 3 clay titles including the Rome masters in his entire career. I can definitely see Murray achieving something similar as he's already made the qtr twice and reached the semi once. Hasn't won any titles yet but that should be on its way too now that big monkey off the back for good.
 

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Emma said:
huntingyou said:
Murray has a goal as well of one day being #1 and he will never get there unless he start performing on a consistent basis accross all surfaces. Now that all demons has been exorcise, I'm sure we will see him winning more MS events and perhaps even make a first final on clay. No need to question a player with talent and work ethic second to none.

oh damn it.......fastgrass it's fast gone in a minute pretty soon

Who told you Murray has a goal to be No. 1? I don't remember him saying that. In fact, he said he'd like to win as many majors as possible from this point on. But he does need to be a bit more consistent in other tournaments just to stay in top 4, so that he can get a reasonable draws in Majors going forward.

And it certainly doesn't have to be across all surfaces even if he goes for No. 1. Sampras was never consistent on clay and yet, it never stopped him from being No. 1 for six years in a row. He just calculated his schedules in a very smart way. He kept his consistency alive in the other 3 Majors, WTF and some Masters and those were enough for him to stay at No. 1 and win 14 Majors. So being great on 2 out of 3 surfaces is enough.

Sampras made 3 QTR finals, 1 semi at RG and won 3 clay titles including the Rome masters in his entire career. I can definitely see Murray achieving something similar as he's already made the qtr twice and reached the semi once. Hasn't won any titles yet but that should be on its way too now that big monkey off the back for good.

Sampras had the game to win RG, but wasn't really committed to doing it; not that I know of anyway! He was also very unlucky playing past or future FO winners! I seem to remember him getting past Bruguera and Courier only to lose to eventual winner Kafelnikov in the semi in '96! I didn't see it, but Agassi supposedly wore him out in an early round one year as well! IIRC his best chances should have been between '95 & '97! He was at the height of his powers, was established as #1, and could afford really preparing for the tourney! Before and after that he was wasting his time! Edberg had the best chance of winning with an aggressive style, but he was "spent" even before he won that 4th set from Chang in '89! That's one reason I haven't been that hard on top players who skipped or never won the tourney! It had an affect on a player for months depending on how successful he performed making semi or final! Lendl's was "done" for '84 after killing himself to win over McEnroe in 5 sets! Edberg was dead meat going into Wimbledon and actually lost a "love" set to Becker in the final! At least the surface and balls have been changed so it isn't as grueling as the old days, but it's still a haven for baseliners! A serve and volleyer hasn't won since Yannick Noah in '83 with an honorable mention of Federer in '09!

Back to the topic at hand, I don't think Murray has a snowball's chance in Hades to win a French Open! He'll be lucky to make a final! Like Nadal, he works too hard from the baseline with players not even highly ranked! You need to get on and get off the court sometime and conserve your energy! Add back and knee problems, I think Andy's pushing it to even attend the tourney! I've been begging Roger would get over it and skip to prepare for Wimbledon which he has a much better chance of winning! He's stubborn though, even with his style of play; trying to slog it out with kids from the baseline! :huh: :cry Could it get any worse than this past season losing to kids I'd never heard of on clay? In the old days, that would be no big deal, but it accelerates Roger's decline IMO!
 
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Emma said:
huntingyou said:
Murray has a goal as well of one day being #1 and he will never get there unless he start performing on a consistent basis accross all surfaces. Now that all demons has been exorcise, I'm sure we will see him winning more MS events and perhaps even make a first final on clay. No need to question a player with talent and work ethic second to none.

oh damn it.......fastgrass it's fast gone in a minute pretty soon

Who told you Murray has a goal to be No. 1? I don't remember him saying that. In fact, he said he'd like to win as many majors as possible from this point on. But he does need to be a bit more consistent in other tournaments just to stay in top 4, so that he can get a reasonable draws in Majors going forward.

And it certainly doesn't have to be across all surfaces even if he goes for No. 1. Sampras was never consistent on clay and yet, it never stopped him from being No. 1 for six years in a row. He just calculated his schedules in a very smart way. He kept his consistency alive in the other 3 Majors, WTF and some Masters and those were enough for him to stay at No. 1 and win 14 Majors. So being great on 2 out of 3 surfaces is enough.

Sampras made 3 QTR finals, 1 semi at RG and won 3 clay titles including the Rome masters in his entire career. I can definitely see Murray achieving something similar as he's already made the qtr twice and reached the semi once. Hasn't won any titles yet but that should be on its way too now that big monkey off the back for good.

100% agree with you .
if one can't make clay final , despite of winning two slams
is shame.
Its was not the clay session that prevented murra to be no 1
but it was him . Over hyped player.
 

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masterclass said:
As far as majors go in the last 2 years, it appears as if he has improved - winning 2, though he may have also benefited from some of other top players' misfortunes or decline.

Can you enlighten me?
 

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Broken_Shoelace said:
fastgrass said:
If he is improved , Where is results ? Where is consistency?

Djokovic improved in 2011 , and won 3 slams , and five masters . Also 6 more masters and 2 more slams in last two season.
I don't believe this stuff " Post lendl Murray is much better "
until he achieves more , rather than two fluke slams.

Are you trolling?

Murray joined forces with Lendl in 2012, and has since won two majors. Here are your results...

Anyway, arguing in your threads is futile since soon enough you'll be taking walks with Nadal2005...

To be honest it's getting really boring. Almost every thread he's started has been about slagging off Murray. He really should find something more constructive to do with his time.

The two 'fluke' slams nonsense really is tedious.
 

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Iona16 said:
masterclass said:
As far as majors go in the last 2 years, it appears as if he has improved - winning 2, though he may have also benefited from some of other top players' misfortunes or decline.

Can you enlighten me?

He meant Federer decline and Nadal injury.....but you knew that already.
 

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Emma said:
Who told you Murray has a goal to be No. 1? I don't remember him saying that. In fact, he said he'd like to win as many majors as possible from this point on. But he does need to be a bit more consistent in other tournaments just to stay in top 4, so that he can get a reasonable draws in Majors going forward.

He said it himself.

Sampras didn't have to deal with Djokovic and Nadal.............if Murray can't improve his performance on clay which account for a third of the season then he will never be #1 because both Nadal and Novak do perform on clay. Federer used to as well when he was #1. As you well know, Pete played in a era with clear separations between surface specialists; that's not the case today.