Maria Sharapova

[Bounce It !!]

and they call her mentally tough..:nono..Serena has outwitted a lot of coaches even the big money coaches that have their own entourages....Sven came down several times during that Miami match and still couldnt solve the Serena puzzle.
if she wins it will be by walkover and she will scream wildly like she did after she beat a Sjogren Venus...I think she will sink to her knees like she did at RG..it will be like winning a slam going to hug her team ,,,,after the walkover...:laydownlaughing

You are correct to say win. She won't beat Serena because she doesn't have the tennis IQ to do it. Her coaches must feel some what embarrassed. I remember seeing Hogstedt (sp) run past Serena and glance at her after an on court visit with Maria. He was probably thinking - I hate you - you're going to get me fired, :lolz: And in those moments, coaching visit, Serena is probably thinking: you can come and talk to her until you are both blue in the face - nothing is going to change. lol. If you've noticed, often times Serena will beat Maria even worse after a coach visits. There is a recent interview of Maria (about 4 days or so ago). In it she admits that the constant beatings by Serena bother her and she wants to beat her. And she admits that every time she plays Serena she learns something because Serena plays at such a high level.

I never really understand how coaches could raise an athlete without backup plans to their game. I don't know much about the early training of players I guess.

Probably because what Maria does works against the majority of the players she plays. And there is a reality that she is not a great athlete and trying to get her to do other things is a waste.

I really don''t understand the amount of hate towards Sharapova. She's had a , tremendous career, it took two years for her to regain her form but she did it. .Then it took a while this year after sitting out with shoulder problems again, and she did regain her form. She is the second best player in this tournament, and the second best player on the WTA tour.

So she's lost to Serena since forever. Why wouldn't she bring the coach out when it's permitted. Hasn't won over Serena in 10 years, hell, I'd bring St. Francis of Assisi back from the dead and out on court, if I thought he could help me break a ten year losing streak. Maria accepts it, "There's no rivalry until I start winning".

Majority of those losses have occurred in Finals and Semifinals, and a good number of them have gone three sets. Check the WTA Head to Head. I'm not saying she gonna win this year, my 1st choice is always Serena, AGAINST ANYBODY, she's that good. When Serena's on fire, as only Serena can be, ie 2012 Olympics, anyone in the final could be looking at a 0-1 loss and most would have been 0-0.

In the last few years, since 2011 putting money on Serena is a safe bet. But then, putting money on Sharapova against anybody other than Serena is also a safe bet, and over time will make you some big bucks.

So folks don't like her scream, get over it. The WTA has not made the screams, grunts and groans a hindrance, nor have the players challenged any screams, grunts and groans from Pova or any other player. Ergo, it's not illegal.

The majority of posters on this site are well informed, articulate individuals, and I enjoy reading the posts, and even the re-posts, until it comes to Pova. I just don't get the hate, doesn't make any sense with the outstanding record Maria has over everyone else. $31 million dollars later, her career tennis earnings, I am sure she doesn't a rat's a... whether you hate her or not, she's got many, many fans that don't. Again, it just doesn't make sense that such intelligent and knowledgeable tennis fans resort to hate.

OK, rant is over. Enjoy the Draw, and the tourney. The top eight this year should provide some great WTA tennis.

 

[MashaFan]

RE: Who wins Singapore?

I really don''t understand the amount of hate towards Sharapova. She's had a , tremendous career, it took two years for her to regain her form but she did it. .Then it took a while this year after sitting out with shoulder problems again, and she did regain her form. She is the second best player in this tournament, and the second best player on the WTA tour.

You will in time - The majority of the commentators here are Serena fans and some of them are fanatic to the extreme - They never miss a chance to play the Serena defeated Masha 16 times in a row card in various versions to remind everybody about Serena's greatness - They've never forgiven Masha for defeating Serena as a 17 year old in the Wimbledon 2004 final - On top of that Masha had the nerves to win 33 titles during her career of which 5 were slams not to mention her huge popularity and her success as a business woman
Those who're more moderate Serena fans restrict themselves to always complain about Masha's shrieks and never fail to mention it as soon they comment a Masha match - One should think that the shrieking subject would be obsolete by now - but nooooooo!! - not for them
In time you'll learn to recognize the fanatics and moderates here - As for the number of Masha fans on this site - They're less than the fingers on one hand - Odd isn't it since Masha has been a top player for nearly as long as she's been around - I assume that the Masha fans quickly understand what the WTA part of Tennis Frontier is about

 

[sk310]

RE: Who wins Singapore?

I really don''t understand the amount of hate towards Sharapova. She's had a , tremendous career, it took two years for her to regain her form but she did it. .Then it took a while this year after sitting out with shoulder problems again, and she did regain her form. She is the second best player in this tournament, and the second best player on the WTA tour.

You will in time - The majority of the commentators here are Serena fans and some of them are fanatic to the extreme - They never miss a chance to play the Serena defeated Masha 16 times in a row card in various versions to remind everybody about Serena's greatness - They've never forgiven Masha for defeating Serena as a 17 year old in the Wimbledon 2004 final - On top of that Masha had the nerves to win 33 titles during her career of which 5 were slams not to mention her huge popularity and her success as a business woman
Those who're more moderate Serena fans restrict themselves to always complain about Masha's shrieks and never fail to mention it as soon they comment a Masha match - One should think that the shrieking subject would be obsolete by now - but nooooooo!! - not for them
In time you'll learn to recognize the fanatics and moderates here - As for the number of Masha fans on this site - They're less than the fingers on one hand - Odd isn't it since Masha has been a top player for nearly as long as she's been around - I assume that the Masha fans quickly understand what the WTA part of Tennis Frontier is about

You know I've long wondered what it must feel like to be a Maria fan inside the closer knit tennis world. On all of these forums most people hate her if not just dislike her. I imagine it's not easy to see that time and again. So I can see how you would get defensive and sometimes make pretty crazy claims.

Yes there are a lot of rabid Serena fans here. Although if you were a part of the Tennis.com forum which I believe you were, you know the Serena fans were much harsher and bigger in numbers there.

For me there's a number of reasons I don't like Maria. I don't feel like she closely connects herself to the tour the way a champion should be promoting the tour. I don't feel she deserves the amount of acclaim she's been given by the mainstream media. She hasn't reached the heights of even Justine, Martina Hingis, or Lindsay Davenport (second tier great players). Yet she constantly gets bunched in with the greatest of players. She makes more money by far than the greatest player in the world and possible the greatest player of all time. Why? Because she is tall, glamorous, white, with blond hair. That's a tough pill for tennis' close watchers to swallow. I'm not saying Maria is a horrible player. She's decent.

 

[Billie]

RE: Who wins Singapore?

Close tennis watchers? Don't you over-estimate yourself just a little tiny bit?:lolz:

Yeah, Masha is decent, on top of my head I can count only 2 active players having more majors and titles than Masha. If she is decent, then I don't even want to know your opinion about the players from the rest of the tour?:nono

Go Masha!!!

 

[MashaFan]

RE: Who wins Singapore?

You know I've long wondered what it must feel like to be a Maria fan inside the closer knit tennis world. On all of these forums most people hate her if not just dislike her. I imagine it's not easy to see that time and again. So I can see how you would get defensive and sometimes make pretty crazy claims.

Yes there are a lot of rabid Serena fans here. Although if you were a part of the Tennis.com forum which I believe you were, you know the Serena fans were much harsher and bigger in numbers there.

For me there's a number of reasons I don't like Maria. I don't feel like she closely connects herself to the tour the way a champion should be promoting the tour. I don't feel she deserves the amount of acclaim she's been given by the mainstream media. She hasn't reached the heights of even Justine, Martina Hingis, or Lindsay Davenport (second tier great players). Yet she constantly gets bunched in with the greatest of players. She makes more money by far than the greatest player in the world and possible the greatest player of all time. Why? Because she is tall, glamorous, white, with blond hair. That's a tough pill for tennis' close watchers to swallow. I'm not saying Maria is a horrible player. She's decent.

I don't feel like she closely connects herself to the tour the way a champion should be promoting the tour
Yet the WTA doesn't seem to agree with you - Besides - your statement is kind of fuzzy since you didn't specify how - in your opinion - a champion should "connect herself"

I don't feel she deserves the amount of acclaim she's been given by the mainstream media.
It seems to me that that is an odd reason to dislike Masha since she has no control over the amount of acclaim she's been given - The logical thing would be to dislike the "mainstream media"

She hasn't reached the heights of even Justine, Martina Hingis, or Lindsay Davenport (second tier great players)
None of them you've mentioned has ever earned a career grand slam - So what "heights" are you talking about? - As far as I can see none of the current top 10 players except for Serena have reached any comparable heights - Yet I don't see you posting "dislike comments" about for example Ana - Petra, Caroline etc

Yet she constantly gets bunched in with the greatest of players.
Maybe it is because she has earned a place among them - One could ask what it is which makes your judgment more true then the majority of tennis experts? - And once again - it's not Masha's fault that so many think that she belongs among the greatest

She makes more money by far than the greatest player in the world and possible the greatest player of all time. Why? Because she is tall, glamorous, white, with blond hair.
Again - It seems to me that you are unreasonable - It's not Masha's fault that she looks like she does - It's not her fault that some big businesses think that Masha is the best representative for their products and are willing to pay her big bucks nor is it Masha's fault that she is immensely popular around the world

I'm not saying Maria is a horrible player. She's decent.
And yet - after Serena and Venus Williams Masha is the most merited WTA tennis player today - None of the others come even close - So what does that make players like Ana, Petra or Agnieszka?

It seems to me that your "dislikes" are based on personal emotions rather then valid facts - which of course is your prerogative - Just don't think that your "reasons" are either sane or objective - because they are not - Nothing you have said can be used as valid or reasonable reasons to dislike any tennis player - I also think that the comment about Why? Because she is tall, glamorous, white, with blond hair. sounds like a racist "reason" to me - Shame on you!!!

 

[britbox]

RE: Who wins Singapore?

I'm in the pro-Masha camp... She's not my favourite player, but she's one of them. I get why people don't like the screaming, but on the same note, there are a bunch of other players doing exactly the same.

I guess some people don't like the fact that she's marketed so well. She's a brand that goes beyond tennis fans and into the general public. Maybe jealousy is the primary factor for the disdain she gets among a lot of non-Masha fans.

 

[tented]

I split off the debate about Sharapova from the Singapore thread, and put the posts in this thread. Please use it to continue discussing Sharapova.

Thanks.

 

[Correspondent Kiu]

She is the #2 in the world, she gets another shot at #1

 

[tossip]

she is overrated..cupcake draw queen since Larry Scott days.

 

[Correspondent Kiu]

If Maria was not around to be beaten by Serena, Serena would not be as great as she is.
One of Serena's main accomplishments has been domination of Masha.
I said it in a thread before, down the history lane, Maria's name will always be mentioned with Serena and vice-versa. Just like Chrissie and Martina--Graf and Seles.

 

[tossip]

If Maria was not around to be beaten by Serena, Serena would not be as great as she is.
One of Serena's main accomplishments has been domination of Masha.
I said it in a thread before, down the history lane, Maria's name will always be mentioned with Serena and vice-versa. Just like Chrissie and Martina--Graf and Seles.

its the media that pushes pova down our throats,she is a ballbasher with no plan b.She gets favorable court schedules and assignments...Serena has had better rivals like Justine Venus and Capriati....at least Martina and Chrissiie were equals...Graf had a real threat in Seles before she was stabbed...Maria is Serena s pigeon soon going to be 17-2 in front of her asian fans...they will console themselves with sourpova.:lolz:

 

[sk310]

If Maria was not around to be beaten by Serena, Serena would not be as great as she is.
One of Serena's main accomplishments has been domination of Masha.
I said it in a thread before, down the history lane, Maria's name will always be mentioned with Serena and vice-versa. Just like Chrissie and Martina--Graf and Seles.

I disagree. Serena is more likely to be mentioned as an abrupt end to to Martina Hingis', in the same generation as Justine, Kim, and Lindsay and the name that will ALWAYS go with her will be Venus. I get what you're saying and generally I agree with it. Most great champions have a foil. Chrissie had Martina, then Martina had Steffi, and then Steffi had Monica. However, no, Maria didn't push Serena to be better. Serena was dominant before Maria and dominant after Maria. It was the challenge of living up to her sister's example that made Serena work harder.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

If Maria was not around to be beaten by Serena, Serena would not be as great as she is.
One of Serena's main accomplishments has been domination of Masha.
I said it in a thread before, down the history lane, Maria's name will always be mentioned with Serena and vice-versa. Just like Chrissie and Martina--Graf and Seles.

I don't think it is true. Serena can and will be talked about independently of Maria.
Of course, no one can talk about Maria leaving out the fact that she lost so many times
to Serena.

We are not talking here about a pair like Chrisse/Martina who are true rivals.
Serena and Maria are not rivals in any sense of the word. I even already posted the
definition of the word rival in the other thread.

It is wrong to say Serena's main achievement is domination of Maria.
If Maria had been a puzzle for Serena and then she solved it and dominated
her, then it can be said. That is not the case.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I'm in the pro-Masha camp... She's not my favourite player, but she's one of them. I get why people don't like the screaming, but on the same note, there are a bunch of other players doing exactly the same.

I guess some people don't like the fact that she's marketed so well. She's a brand that goes beyond tennis fans and into the general public. Maybe jealousy is the primary factor for the disdain she gets among a lot of non-Masha fans.

1. I agree that she is not the only screamer and there are lots of other players who do exactly
the same thing. However, Maria becomes the "face of screaming" being the most accomplished
of all the screamers.

2. I agree that she is a well oiled marketing machine. I would also agree that jealousy is
certainly a factor for the reaction she gets. But, the jealousy is not about her game, the
jealousy is over the fact that someone so less accomplished is making so much money
in sponsorships. But, I know life is not fair. Also, I think there is nothing wrong with
Maria in trying to milk as much money as she could using her stardom. That is life.

 

[Correspondent Kiu]

If Maria was not around to be beaten by Serena, Serena would not be as great as she is.
One of Serena's main accomplishments has been domination of Masha.
I said it in a thread before, down the history lane, Maria's name will always be mentioned with Serena and vice-versa. Just like Chrissie and Martina--Graf and Seles.

I disagree. Serena is more likely to be mentioned as an abrupt end to to Martina Hingis', in the same generation as Justine, Kim, and Lindsay and the name that will ALWAYS go with her will be Venus. I get what you're saying and generally I agree with it. Most great champions have a foil. Chrissie had Martina, then Martina had Steffi, and then Steffi had Monica. However, no, Maria didn't push Serena to be better. Serena was dominant before Maria and dominant after Maria. It was the challenge of living up to her sister's example that made Serena work harder.

Was Serena dominant before Masha? Hingis has 6-7 record against her....
Serena never had a rivalry with her sister, Venus beat her last time they played. Serena is not in the same generation as Lindsay, and Serena proved to be better than Venus, Venus and Maria are in the same league, although I give the edge to Venus...

I like you a lot SK, don't let Serena's accomplishments misguide you because you like her too much, Serena will never be a Steffi or Martina, she is just too far behind. Serena will never reach 100+ titles like they did. She will bring arguments though!

Serena has done at 31+ what no one will do, ever!

 

[Correspondent Kiu]

If Maria was not around to be beaten by Serena, Serena would not be as great as she is.
One of Serena's main accomplishments has been domination of Masha.
I said it in a thread before, down the history lane, Maria's name will always be mentioned with Serena and vice-versa. Just like Chrissie and Martina--Graf and Seles.

I don't think it is true. Serena can and will be talked about independently of Maria.
Of course, no one can talk about Maria leaving out the fact that she lost so many times
to Serena.

We are not talking here about a pair like Chrisse/Martina who are true rivals.
Serena and Maria are not rivals in any sense of the word. I even already posted the
definition of the word rival in the other thread.

It is wrong to say Serena's main achievement is domination of Maria.
If Maria had been a puzzle for Serena and then she solved it and dominated
her, then it can be said. That is not the case.

What is Serena's main accomplishment then GSM? who did Serena beat during this stretch most?
GSM,
Others and (me) count you as a Serena fan, it'll be difficult to prove otherwise.
You should try it, you do claim otherwise!
No?
prove us wrong!

 

[GameSetAndMath]

If Maria was not around to be beaten by Serena, Serena would not be as great as she is.
One of Serena's main accomplishments has been domination of Masha.
I said it in a thread before, down the history lane, Maria's name will always be mentioned with Serena and vice-versa. Just like Chrissie and Martina--Graf and Seles.

I don't think it is true. Serena can and will be talked about independently of Maria.
Of course, no one can talk about Maria leaving out the fact that she lost so many times
to Serena.

We are not talking here about a pair like Chrisse/Martina who are true rivals.
Serena and Maria are not rivals in any sense of the word. I even already posted the
definition of the word rival in the other thread.

It is wrong to say Serena's main achievement is domination of Maria.
If Maria had been a puzzle for Serena and then she solved it and dominated
her, then it can be said. That is not the case.

What is Serena's main accomplishment then GSM? who did Serena beat during this stretch most?
GSM,
Others and (me) count you as a Serena fan, it'll be difficult to prove otherwise.
You should try it, you do claim otherwise!
No?
prove us wrong!

1. Serena's main accomplishment is winning 18 Slams and generally controlling the whole field.

2. I am not a heavy duty fan of Serena. Actually, while I do watch WTA, I am mostly
dispassionate by and large and don't have serious allegiances. I like the finesse of
Aga (too bad she is currently not doing good) as much as the power of Serena. I actually like Maria better than the counterpunchers. So, instead of trying to put a color to my posts as coming from fan of so and so, you might
want to read them at face value.

 

[tossip]

If Maria was not around to be beaten by Serena, Serena would not be as great as she is.
One of Serena's main accomplishments has been domination of Masha.
I said it in a thread before, down the history lane, Maria's name will always be mentioned with Serena and vice-versa. Just like Chrissie and Martina--Graf and Seles.

I disagree. Serena is more likely to be mentioned as an abrupt end to to Martina Hingis', in the same generation as Justine, Kim, and Lindsay and the name that will ALWAYS go with her will be Venus. I get what you're saying and generally I agree with it. Most great champions have a foil. Chrissie had Martina, then Martina had Steffi, and then Steffi had Monica. However, no, Maria didn't push Serena to be better. Serena was dominant before Maria and dominant after Maria. It was the challenge of living up to her sister's example that made Serena work harder.

Was Serena dominant before Masha? Hingis has 6-7 record against her....
Serena never had a rivalry with her sister, Venus beat her last time they played. Serena is not in the same generation as Lindsay, and Serena proved to be better than Venus, Venus and Maria are in the same league, although I give the edge to Venus...

I like you a lot SK, don't let Serena's accomplishments misguide you because you like her too much, Serena will never be a Steffi or Martina, she is just too far behind. Serena will never reach 100+ titles like they did. She will bring arguments though!

Serena has done at 31+ what no one will do, ever!

well we know you love love pova and will defend her to the ends of the earth.Serena s accomplishments are remarkable because of the adversity she faced and is still facing from the tennis world...e.g. racism,sexism and all isms you can think of.She was not supposed to succeed the way she did,they beat her down and she keeps coming back again and again...no one held her hand the way they did pova.Serena to me is a perfect example of success against all odds and is a model for anyone who has been told you cant do this because you are like this and that...tenacity and that strong will to win and not let the naysayers define you.
Venus and Serena s story is inspirational and they will be talked about long after they are retired...their story and success doesnt give kids cavities or diabetes.

 

[MashaFan]

well we know you love love pova and will defend her to the ends of the earth.Serena s accomplishments are remarkable because of the adversity she faced and is still facing from the tennis world...e.g. racism,sexism and all isms you can think of.She was not supposed to succeed the way she did,they beat her down and she keeps coming back again and again...no one held her hand the way they did pova.Serena to me is a perfect example of success against all odds and is a model for anyone who has been told you cant do this because you are like this and that...tenacity and that strong will to win and not let the naysayers define you.
Venus and Serena s story is inspirational and they will be talked about long after they are retired...their story and success doesnt give kids cavities or diabetes.

Aaaaawww - Aren't you the main little spokesman here against racism - sexism and whatever other ism you can think off? :laydownlaughing

Man - You must have some really low self esteem and racist complex - It's so sweet to read how you defend your poor Serena and how you always love to divide the world in blacks who're treated badly and the whites who're the oppressors - Yeah right - the whole white America has treated Serena badly but man - did Serena show them - :lolz:

Masha at the other hand was of course born with a silver spoon in her mouth - She had no need to make any effort of herself at all because all her 5 slams and her 28 additional titles just came flying to her - All Masha needed to do was to be tall - white - and blond

And you don't even see how insane your statements are? - How can people here put up with all your insane accusations about racism and your ramblings about Masha - The one who's the racist on here would be you

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

To Masha Fan

I have just been reading on SI.Com,in regards to Tarpischev comments regarding the Williams Sisters.
It was great to see Maria Sharapova come out and blast the comments of Tarpischev,
Sharapova said "Disrespectful and uncalled for and I'm glad that many people have stood up including the WTA".