Laver: Djokovic is now Federer's equal

[El Dude]

Read all about it here.

Because we haven't discussed the GOAT thing enough

 

[Front242]

Guy's 77 and senile

 

[Fiero425]

Read all about it here.

Because we haven't discussed the GOAT thing enough

Strange that this was dated today, but I'm pretty sure I read all about it days ago! Other sites feel the same with every waning year of Roger just "holding on!" I think if he had retired after Wimbledon win, his stock would be higher, but by staying in there, he's tainting it more and more! He's making major finals, winning a Masters event here and there, but what has he really done but collect $$$ for the last several years? I'm sure we'll miss him, but unless someone upsets Nole and other top players, I just can't see him adding to that 17 count even though he's been close 3 or 4 times! uzzled :nono :angel: :dodgy: :cover

 

[El Dude]

I don't know, Fiero. I might agree that Roger is "tarnishing" his record if he wasn't in the top 5 or even top 10, but he's still the second or third best player on tour. Think Jimmy Connors in the early to mid-80s.

I think what you are saying applies to Lleyton Hewitt somewhat. Not that it tarnishes what he did accomplish in his prime, but that it is easier to remember his relative mediocrity of the last decade than it is his borderline brilliance of 2000-05. But I'm not going to knock Lleyton for never giving up and for playing for love of the game.

 

[Fiero425]

I don't know, Fiero. I might agree that Roger is "tarnishing" his record if he wasn't in the top 5 or even top 10, but he's still the second or third best player on tour. Think Jimmy Connors in the early to mid-80s.

I think what you are saying applies to Lleyton Hewitt somewhat. Not that it tarnishes what he did accomplish in his prime, but that it is easier to remember his relative mediocrity of the last decade than it is his borderline brilliance of 2000-05. But I'm not going to knock Lleyton for never giving up and for playing for love of the game.

This just emphasizes how lame the competition is; not that they don't have skills, but they don't seem to be able to finish when it comes to upsets! MP's almost mean nothing as evidenced by Zereva letting Nadal off the hook a few weeks ago! They also allow old timers to hang on who've done little but be consistent like Tsonga, Ferrer, and Berdych! How is this possible with the rackets and physicality of play today? uzzled :nono :angel: :cover

 

[Mile]

Read all about it here.

Because we haven't discussed the GOAT thing enough

He find out Djoker grew in stornger competition.

 

[lob]

I don't know, Fiero. I might agree that Roger is "tarnishing" his record if he wasn't in the top 5 or even top 10, but he's still the second or third best player on tour. Think Jimmy Connors in the early to mid-80s.

I think what you are saying applies to Lleyton Hewitt somewhat. Not that it tarnishes what he did accomplish in his prime, but that it is easier to remember his relative mediocrity of the last decade than it is his borderline brilliance of 2000-05. But I'm not going to knock Lleyton for never giving up and for playing for love of the game.

ElDude and Front, both Laver and Fiero are correct. Going by Laver's carefully stated but not no BS statement, not just does he seem very lucid to me as of now but he appears to be answering a journo's question. Laver is unambiguously referring to success and will you put good money against his prediction right now? Laver knows that he will appear senile, biased and bitter to even the tennis world if he said otherwise.

Federer was born to play tennis, sublime gorgeous majestic lofty enduring tennis. To give a bad analogy, if Ussain Bolt runs for the next 12 years....

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[isabelle]

we have to wait till Nole retires before to judge

 

[lob]

ElDude and Front, both Laver and Fiero are correct. Going by Laver's carefully stated but not no BS statement, not just does he seem very lucid to me as of now but he appears to be answering a journo's question.
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I meant no bs. Not 'not no bs,'


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[nehmeth]

They also allow old timers to hang on who've done little but be consistent like Tsonga, Ferrer, and Berdych! How is this possible with the rackets and physicality of play today?

Tsonga, Ferrer, Berdych, Monfils may be two or three steps below Fed, Ralf, and Nole, but they are better than the generation immediately after them. Did you ever consider that they might have been able to do more in any other era without the big 3 (+ Murray)?

 

[nehmeth]

Read all about it here.

Wow. Laver LOVES Roger. LOVES Roger. For him to make those statements is shocking.

 

[Fiero425]

They also allow old timers to hang on who've done little but be consistent like Tsonga, Ferrer, and Berdych! How is this possible with the rackets and physicality of play today?

Tsonga, Ferrer, Berdych, Monfils may be two or three steps below Fed, Ralf, and Nole, but they are better than the generation immediately after them. Did you ever consider that they might have been able to do more in any other era without the big 3 (+ Murray)?

Nope; not at all! There's something in their head which is holding them back no matter the era! Like most players of today, they just don't know how to finish! :cover :nono :angel:

 

[El Dude]

They also allow old timers to hang on who've done little but be consistent like Tsonga, Ferrer, and Berdych! How is this possible with the rackets and physicality of play today?

Tsonga, Ferrer, Berdych, Monfils may be two or three steps below Fed, Ralf, and Nole, but they are better than the generation immediately after them. Did you ever consider that they might have been able to do more in any other era without the big 3 (+ Murray)?

Nope; not at all! There's something in their head which is holding them back no matter the era! Like most players of today, they just don't know how to finish! :cover :nono :angel:

Could it be that what is holding them back is playing alongside three of the greatest players in tennis history?

 

[Fiero425]

Tsonga, Ferrer, Berdych, Monfils may be two or three steps below Fed, Ralf, and Nole, but they are better than the generation immediately after them. Did you ever consider that they might have been able to do more in any other era without the big 3 (+ Murray)?

Nope; not at all! There's something in their head which is holding them back no matter the era! Like most players of today, they just don't know how to finish! :cover :nono :angel:

Could it be that what is holding them back is playing alongside three of the greatest players in tennis history?

Everyone has off days and too few times it was taken advantage of IMO! :nono :cover

 

[nehmeth]

Tsonga, Ferrer, Berdych, Monfils may be two or three steps below Fed, Ralf, and Nole, but they are better than the generation immediately after them. Did you ever consider that they might have been able to do more in any other era without the big 3 (+ Murray)?

Nope; not at all! There's something in their head which is holding them back no matter the era! Like most players of today, they just don't know how to finish! :cover :nono :angel:

Could it be that what is holding them back is playing alongside three of the greatest players in tennis history?

That was the point of my post.

 

[Front242]

I don't know, Fiero. I might agree that Roger is "tarnishing" his record if he wasn't in the top 5 or even top 10, but he's still the second or third best player on tour. Think Jimmy Connors in the early to mid-80s.

I think what you are saying applies to Lleyton Hewitt somewhat. Not that it tarnishes what he did accomplish in his prime, but that it is easier to remember his relative mediocrity of the last decade than it is his borderline brilliance of 2000-05. But I'm not going to knock Lleyton for never giving up and for playing for love of the game.

This just emphasizes how lame the competition is; not that they don't have skills, but they don't seem to be able to finish when it comes to upsets! MP's almost mean nothing as evidenced by Zereva letting Nadal off the hook a few weeks ago! They also allow old timers to hang on who've done little but be consistent like Tsonga, Ferrer, and Berdych! How is this possible with the rackets and physicality of play today? uzzled :nono :angel: :cover

Well that puts Laver's argument and indeed the opinions of the rabid Djokovic fans on tennis.com to rest are far as I'm concerned. How can he be Federer's equal beating lame competition and when his biggest rival is almost 35? Tell that to the numpties over on tennis.com though and they think you're full of $h1t lol. A lot of delusional people out there. The last 2 years have been extremely weak overall with Murray and Nadal barely able to beat Novak and Federer too old to do it outside best of 3.

 

[Fiero425]

I don't know, Fiero. I might agree that Roger is "tarnishing" his record if he wasn't in the top 5 or even top 10, but he's still the second or third best player on tour. Think Jimmy Connors in the early to mid-80s.

I think what you are saying applies to Lleyton Hewitt somewhat. Not that it tarnishes what he did accomplish in his prime, but that it is easier to remember his relative mediocrity of the last decade than it is his borderline brilliance of 2000-05. But I'm not going to knock Lleyton for never giving up and for playing for love of the game.

This just emphasizes how lame the competition is; not that they don't have skills, but they don't seem to be able to finish when it comes to upsets! MP's almost mean nothing as evidenced by Zereva letting Nadal off the hook a few weeks ago! They also allow old timers to hang on who've done little but be consistent like Tsonga, Ferrer, and Berdych! How is this possible with the rackets and physicality of play today? uzzled :nono :angel: :cover

Well that puts Laver's argument and indeed the opinions of the rabid Djokovic fans on tennis.com to rest are far as I'm concerned. How can he be Federer's equal beating lame competition and when his biggest rival is almost 35? Tell that to the numpties over on tennis.com though and they think you're full of $h1t lol. A lot of delusional people out there. The last 2 years have been extremely weak overall with Murray and Nadal barely able to beat Novak and Federer too old to do it outside best of 3.

It's not like this is anything new! I've been saying this for years of the "also-rans" of the last decade! They're very consistent, but their upsets of the elite can be counted on one hand and it makes no sense because they have the skill, just not the mindset! It's embarrassing to see the same names all over the record books; some going back 35+ years to Borg! That just shouldn't happen; should be more diversity in results and players! :cover uzzled :nono

 

[Great Hands]

This just emphasizes how lame the competition is; not that they don't have skills, but they don't seem to be able to finish when it comes to upsets! MP's almost mean nothing as evidenced by Zereva letting Nadal off the hook a few weeks ago! They also allow old timers to hang on who've done little but be consistent like Tsonga, Ferrer, and Berdych! How is this possible with the rackets and physicality of play today? uzzled :nono :angel: :cover

Well that puts Laver's argument and indeed the opinions of the rabid Djokovic fans on tennis.com to rest are far as I'm concerned. How can he be Federer's equal beating lame competition and when his biggest rival is almost 35? Tell that to the numpties over on tennis.com though and they think you're full of $h1t lol. A lot of delusional people out there. The last 2 years have been extremely weak overall with Murray and Nadal barely able to beat Novak and Federer too old to do it outside best of 3.

It's not like this is anything new! I've been saying this for years of the "also-rans" of the last decade! They're very consistent, but their upsets of the elite can be counted on one hand and it makes no sense because they have the skill, just not the mindset! It's embarrassing to see the same names all over the record books; some going back 35+ years to Borg! That just shouldn't happen; should be more diversity in results and players! :cover uzzled :nono

Between 1978-1984, leaving aside the AO cause it wasn't really a slam then as the top players didn't bother with it, 18 of the 21 slams were won by just three guys for 7 years!: Borg, McEnroe and Connors! Similar to what the Big 3 have been doing, really!

 

[El Dude]

Fiero, I think you're making too much of it, sort of a variation of "Back in my day, when men were men, thinks were much better," etc. What you're upset about is just a characteristic of the era. This too shall pass. I also am ready for a new age in which the winner of every Slam and Masters isn't a foregone conclusion from only a small handful of players, but this period will end soon enough. Hang in there.

 

[Obsi]

How can he be Federer's equal beating lame competition and when his biggest rival is almost 35? Tell that to the numpties over on tennis.com though and they think you're full of $h1t lol. A lot of delusional people out there. The last 2 years have been extremely weak overall with Murray and Nadal barely able to beat Novak and Federer too old to do it outside best of 3.

How can Federer be the best player ever beating lame competition? 2004-2006 were extremely weak years.