Is Federer still young enough to compete for Slams?

Is Federer too old to compete for Slams?

  • Yes, he has been over the hill since losing to Djokovic in 2008 at Melbourne.

    Votes: 3 42.9%
  • Yes, he has been in decline since the Sampras match in 2001.

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • Yes, the talent of the new age players is so extraordinary that Fed can't compete.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No, Fed may not be too old but Djokovic, Nadal, Murray, and Wawrinka are.

    Votes: 3 42.9%

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calitennis127

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Since everyone on this board has been talking about this since 2008, I thought I would keep the conversation going. I mean, it's only been a decade of completely pointless conversation about this issue.

So what do you think? Is Federer too far over the hill to win slams these days? Do you agree with one of our old friends that his racquet head acceleration has dissipated to the point that he can't possibly win against the upstart new age players?
 
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I voted for defeat to Novak in 2008–he’s been a shell of hie perception of his digital self since then. So, are any trophies after that loss real?
 
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I voted for defeat to Novak in 2008–he’s been a shell of hie perception of his digital self since then. So, are any trophies after that loss real?

Nope. He has been too old to keep winning the entire time.
 

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LOL, Cali. In the spirit of your hilarity, I choose the ridiculous second option.
 

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I think the real truth is that Roger has been a travesty since the 2007 Paris Masters. Being outplayed by a clearly superior player just destroyed his career.
 

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The great Argestine—the most sublime ball striker tennis has seen since Lew Hoad.
 
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I think the real truth is that Roger has been a travesty since the 2007 Paris Masters. Being outplayed by a clearly superior player just destroyed his career.

Well Nalbandian was a better baseline player and had more raw talent for playing the game of tennis.

That said, I don't think Federer started to decline until 2008. I think you're off by a few months.
 

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Well Nalbandian was a better baseline player and had more raw talent for playing the game of tennis.

That said, I don't think Federer started to decline until 2008. I think you're off by a few months.

Well, his absolute peak was 2006 but he slipped a bit in 2007...while he still had a great year, won three Slams and the WTF, he lost to a lot of less than great players. The drop in 2008 was more pronounced but as exacerbated by Nadal reaching his peak.
 
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I think barring mono Roger didn't really decline until March of 2010 really. After he won that AO, he totally lost his game for a while. That slump from IW 2010 to Toronto 2010 was not nice. Going by highlights, Roger's level at AO 2010 final was really good.
 

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Was there anyone better? Seriously? If so, who?

Than the Argentine? I think peak McEnroe, Sampras and Federer were better—David was never a top notch volleyer or server—and they are big parts of an overall tennis game.
 

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Than the Argentine? I think peak McEnroe, Sampras and Federer were better—David was never a top notch volleyer or server—and they are big parts of an overall tennis game.

Nalbandian was an outstanding volleyer. I'm not sure what you are talking about there.
 

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Well, his absolute peak was 2006 but he slipped a bit in 2007...while he still had a great year, won three Slams and the WTF, he lost to a lot of less than great players. The drop in 2008 was more pronounced but as exacerbated by Nadal reaching his peak.

He also played a guy named Djokovic at the Australian Open. I'm not sure his level dropped so much as Djokovic and Nadal improved, and he hit one of his low points against Nadal.
 

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Nalbandian was an outstanding volleyer. I'm not sure what you are talking about there.

It has been a long time, I must admit, but his skills at net did not stand out in my mind. What did stand out was his baseline rallying and particularly the angle he could get off of his backhand. His service never really stood out in my mind either. Clearly, he was a top ten player and one who, in my view, underachieved in light of his talents, for numerous reasons. I think he could have and should have accomplished more on the court.
 

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Well Nalbandian was a better baseline player and had more raw talent for playing the game of tennis.

That said, I don't think Federer started to decline until 2008. I think you're off by a few months.

The hilarious thing is I forgot this craziness about Nalbandian having more talent than Federer. It's so absurd I can't believe I forgot. Remind me what talent is again?
 

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He also played a guy named Djokovic at the Australian Open. I'm not sure his level dropped so much as Djokovic and Nadal improved, and he hit one of his low points against Nadal.

This view is not supported by the actual results. Roger started losing to lesser players more frequently in 2007. Look at who he lost to, by year:

2004: Henman, Nadal, Costa, Kuerten, Hrbaty, Berdych
2005: Safin, Gasquet, Nadal, Nalbandian
2006: Nadal x4, Murray
2007: Canas x2, Nadal x2, Volandri, Djokovic, Nalbandian x2, Gonzalez
2008: Djokovic, Murray x3, Fish, Roddick, Nadal x4, Stepanek, Simon x2, Karlovic, Blake

In 2004, he wasn't a great clay-courter yet, thus the losses to Costa and Kuerten. The real travesty was losing to a 19-year old Berdych at the Olympics.

In 2005, Safin played the match of his life to win the AO, and while he had improved on clay he wasn't great yet - thus the Gasquet loss. Rafa doesn't need explanation, and you know better than anyone that Nalbandian can play brilliantly at times. But still, 4 losses.

In 2006, he was almost impossible to beat, except his arch-nemesis Rafa and this upstart Andy Murray. It remains his best overall year, and his true pinnacle.

In 2007 he lost to a few players he had no business losing to: Canas twice, Volandri, Gonzalez. Not much of a drop from 2006, but still there. My guess is his actual level didn't drop as much as, perhaps, his focus.

And of course no one will deny that his level dropped substantially in 2008, with 15 losses: as many as 2004-06 combined! While he did lose 8 of those to Rafa, Andy, and Novak, he also lost twice to Simon, and once each to Fish, Roddick, Ivo, and Blake - peers of his he normally dominated.

Anyhow, as I said, I think he lost a hair in 2007, although probably more due to slight loosening of focus. The bigger drop came in 2008...whether that was because of mono or not, he never fully recovered and returned to his 2004-07 form.
 

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The hilarious thing is I forgot this craziness about Nalbandian having more talent than Federer. It's so absurd I can't believe I forgot. Remind me what talent is again?

Hey, @calitennis127 (and Federberg), we have a thread for discussing what talent is here.
I guess we outlined the talent concept finely there and maybe we can actually get somewhere.
 

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And, for full disclosure, I chose option 4. I think Djokovic is now too old to compete with Fed.
not too old but too injured...that's the main factor : injuries for Nole, Sir Andy, Stan, Milos.....they're still young but their bodies are old and damaged, that's why they can't play or play poorly like Nole in last AO