Hypothetical

[Murat Baslamisli]

Assume for a moment that by some crazy turn of events, Stan wins Wimbledon and completes the career slam. Everything else being what it is , as far as his other tournament wins and all, where would you place him among the greats?

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I would certainly place him above Murray. Although, it does not answer your question as you are asking where will you place among the greats?

So, let me give another try. I would still place him below Edberg and Becker.

 

[Fiero425]

I would certainly place him above Murray. Although, it does not answer your question as you are asking where will you place among the greats?

So, let me give another try. I would still place him below Edberg and Becker.

Amen & hallelujah to that! He would be on par with Sharapova; a woefully underachieving player! :nono :cover

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I would certainly place him above Murray. Although, it does not answer your question as you are asking where will you place among the greats?

So, let me give another try. I would still place him below Edberg and Becker.

Amen & hallelujah to that! He would be on par with Sharapova; a woefully underachieving player! :nono :cover

That was cruel :cry

 

[Fiero425]

I would certainly place him above Murray. Although, it does not answer your question as you are asking where will you place among the greats?

So, let me give another try. I would still place him below Edberg and Becker.

Amen & hallelujah to that! He would be on par with Sharapova; a woefully underachieving player! :nono :cover

That was cruel :cry

MarSha got to #1 at least! Stan's never gotten a sniff of it; even #2 would be a biggie for him! :angel:

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

Fiero, keep in mind, Career Grand Slam ! Not a lot of folks achieve that

 

[El Dude]

People put too much weight on accomplishments like "career Grand Slam." It is a great accomplishment, but how do you weigh it? For instance, how does it factor in comparing Agassi with his career GS but only 8 total Slams vs. Sampras with no career GS but 14 Slam titles?

And whether you win all four or four of one, both mean that you played well enough to win a Grand Slam event four times in your career.

I think at most you can give a player a "+1 Slam title equivalent" for a career GS, so Agassi's adjusted Slam count--in terms of comparing him to others--would be "9" and, if Stan won Wimbledon, he'd be at "5." But even so, you have to look at other factors. Would Stan then be better than Courier and Vilas, or even Murray? And was Agassi greater than the two other 8 Slam winners, Connors and Lendl? I think not. In fact, I'd rank Agassi behind them, and probably also behind McEnroe (7).

My basic point is that ranking players is complex, and we need to go beyond Slam count and such things like career GS. We also need to look at other titles, rankings, non-win results at Slams, etc.

 

[Fiero425]

People put too much weight on accomplishments like "career Grand Slam." It is a great accomplishment, but how do you weigh it? For instance, how does it factor in comparing Agassi with his career GS but only 8 total Slams vs. Sampras with no career GS but 14 Slam titles?

And whether you win all four or four of one, both mean that you played well enough to win a Grand Slam event four times in your career.

I think at most you can give a player a "+1 Slam title equivalent" for a career GS, so Agassi's adjusted Slam count--in terms of comparing him to others--would be "9" and, if Stan won Wimbledon, he'd be at "5." But even so, you have to look at other factors. Would Stan then be better than Courier and Vilas, or even Murray? And was Agassi greater than the two other 8 Slam winners, Connors and Lendl? I think not. In fact, I'd rank Agassi behind them, and probably also behind McEnroe (7).

My basic point is that ranking players is complex, and we need to go beyond Slam count and such things like career GS. We also need to look at other titles, rankings, non-win results at Slams, etc.

Living so long, I've seen it all and can commiserate with any sentiments concerning GOAT'dom, greatness in general, or being respectable! This doesn't even take in consideration doubles where both Navratilova and McEnroe shined as well, being #1 in both categories! :angel: :dodgy: :cover

 

[El Dude]

True, although I would completely separate doubles accomplishments from assessing a player's greatness.