Bouchard and Nick Saviano have split

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This is breaking news on the Tennis Channel. Anyone know anything about this? What do y'all think about this for the coming year after an eight year--and highly successful--relationship? Wow!
 

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It was time Shawn. She needs someone who will help her make adjustments during the match when her opponent changes their level. I especially don't like the fact that she returns so aggressively and stands so far inside the baseline on every serve no matter who she's playing.
 

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I honestly did not pick up on that being a problem, but I've not seen as much of her since The Championships. I've liked her aggressiveness, but it has to be modulated, naturally, and, perhaps, that is where the conflict wedged itself. It'll be interesting to watch how things unfold with this relationship severed.
 

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Smart move. I think he is a terrible coach. She can not get to a higher level of play with him. Good riddance.
 

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shawnbm said:
This is breaking news on the Tennis Channel. Anyone know anything about this? What do y'all think about this for the coming year after an eight year--and highly successful--relationship? Wow!

Why is it breaking news and who really cares? Coaches splits happens every day. However, I do not care how many coaches you change it is not about the coach it's about the player. A coach cannot make you win titles it has to be within you the player. You have to be able to think for yourself and know how to change your game around when one thing is not working.
 

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special700 said:
Why is it breaking news

Because it involves a Top 10 player.

and who really cares?

Bouchard fans, and many tennis fans in general.

However, I do not care how many coaches you change it is not about the coach it's about the player. A coach cannot make you win titles it has to be within you the player.

Yes and no. Yes, it's an individual sport, so it's about the player, however babies aren't born with the skills required to win tennis matches. You need coaches for that.

You have to be able to think for yourself and know how to change your game around when one thing is not working.

All things coaches teach a player how to do.
 

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After a breakthrough season,WTA sensation Eugenie Bouchard is making changes.The 20-year-old is already shopping for a new agency to represent her,and now she'll also be looking for a new coach this offseason.

Via a press release,long time Bouchard coach announced his split with the Canadian.

"Genie and I have decided that it is best for us to end our player-coach relationship and to move on in different directions for 2015.Helping Genie grow from an ambitious 12-year-old to No 5 in the world has been a exciting journey,"said Saviano who had worked with Bouchard for eight years.

"This past year traveling with Genie to all of the majors has been a wonderful experience with memories I will cherish for a lifetime.I have no doubt that Genie will accomplish great things.I wish her all the best."

The 58-year-old Saviano has been a part of coaching in American tennis for over 30 years.

Bouchard,who reached a career-high No 5 in the WTA rankings has not commented on the split.

From Tom Gainey TennisX...November 25th.
 

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Genie will surely slide back in the rankings significantly next year while she is busy finding her new coach, new agency etc. But, she may come back after couple of years.

At this stage, it should be clear that she cannot move forward without first moving backward.
 

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tented said:
special700 said:
Why is it breaking news

Because it involves a Top 10 player.

and who really cares?

Bouchard fans, and many tennis fans in general.

However, I do not care how many coaches you change it is not about the coach it's about the player. A coach cannot make you win titles it has to be within you the player.

Yes and no. Yes, it's an individual sport, so it's about the player, however babies aren't born with the skills required to win tennis matches. You need coaches for that.

You have to be able to think for yourself and know how to change your game around when one thing is not working.

All things coaches teach a player how to do.

Maybe so. I'll keep a look out to see if anything changes in Bouchard's game.
 

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Genie also needs to correct her technique on her fhand? I am amazed nothing has been done to correct it thus far in her career.
 

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Genie also needs to correct her technique on her fhand? I am amazed nothing has been done to correct it thus far in her career.

Exactly. Maybe her coach try to correct it, but it probably has not sunk in and this is exactly what I am talking about. You can take a horse to the well, but you can't force it to drink.
 

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tented said:
special700 said:
Why is it breaking news

Because it involves a Top 10 player.

and who really cares?

Bouchard fans, and many tennis fans in general.

However, I do not care how many coaches you change it is not about the coach it's about the player. A coach cannot make you win titles it has to be within you the player.

Yes and no. Yes, it's an individual sport, so it's about the player, however babies aren't born with the skills required to win tennis matches. You need coaches for that.

You have to be able to think for yourself and know how to change your game around when one thing is not working.

All things coaches teach a player how to do.

I agree with all of this. Just because you don't like a player doesn't mean its not news.

Yes the win ultimately does have to be within the player. Yet how can you claim that it's not within a 20 year old who climbed to number 5 this year and made her first grand slam final? Serena Williams was already a great champion but I think most of us can say Patrick helped add a new dimension to her game. I believe, if a player is open and committed, a coach can bring new dimension to an already strong player.

I think she's smart to do this now. There are so many players who refuse to change aspects of their game. If she makes a habit now of improving upon and changing weak parts of her game plan then she can continue that habit throughout her career.

I do think she'll slide a bit in the rankings as I think she's currently facing a bit of a crisis of confidence after Wimbledon. Ultimately I don't think that should be as important right now. For Genie I think job number 1 should be to start winning smaller/mid-level tournaments. I think it would help her in grand slams to learn how to win total matches in smaller tournaments.

Two things that I see as really important for her as it regards to this decision. Make the decision SOON and commit to that choice for a reasonable amount of time. I think there's nothing worse than a player constantly changing coaches and constantly in flux.
 

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its too early in her career to be firing good coaches and then the selfish way she got rid of Laura Robson.
The most successful women players have either had a parent or a long standing coach.
Evert had her father and brother
Graf had her father for a long time
Venus and Serena had their parents
Justine Henin had Carlos
pova had Yuri
Arantxa Sanchez Vicario had her brothers
this constant change of coaches always delay success...look at Sloane who wanted celebrity coaches is now languishing in the doldrums..
I hope Genie will not regress with this decision...
 

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sk310 said:
tented said:
special700 said:
Why is it breaking news

Because it involves a Top 10 player.

and who really cares?

Bouchard fans, and many tennis fans in general.

However, I do not care how many coaches you change it is not about the coach it's about the player. A coach cannot make you win titles it has to be within you the player.

Yes and no. Yes, it's an individual sport, so it's about the player, however babies aren't born with the skills required to win tennis matches. You need coaches for that.

You have to be able to think for yourself and know how to change your game around when one thing is not working.

All things coaches teach a player how to do.

I agree with all of this. Just because you don't like a player doesn't mean its not news.

Yes the win ultimately does have to be within the player. Yet how can you claim that it's not within a 20 year old who climbed to number 5 this year and made her first grand slam final? Serena Williams was already a great champion but I think most of us can say Patrick helped add a new dimension to her game. I believe, if a player is open and committed, a coach can bring new dimension to an already strong player.

I think she's smart to do this now. There are so many players who refuse to change aspects of their game. If she makes a habit now of improving upon and changing weak parts of her game plan then she can continue that habit throughout her career.

I do think she'll slide a bit in the rankings as I think she's currently facing a bit of a crisis of confidence after Wimbledon. Ultimately I don't think that should be as important right now. For Genie I think job number 1 should be to start winning smaller/mid-level tournaments. I think it would help her in grand slams to learn how to win total matches in smaller tournaments.

Two things that I see as really important for her as it regards to this decision. Make the decision SOON and commit to that choice for a reasonable amount of time. I think there's nothing worse than a player constantly changing coaches and constantly in flux.
Agree.
 

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its too early in her career to be firing good coaches and then the selfish way she got rid of Laura Robson.
The most successful women players have either had a parent or a long standing coach.
Evert had her father and brother
Graf had her father for a long time
Venus and Serena had their parents
Justine Henin had Carlos
pova had Yuri
Arantxa Sanchez Vicario had her brothers
this constant change of coaches always delay success...look at Sloane who wanted celebrity coaches is now languishing in the doldrums..
I hope Genie will not regress with this decision...

Another true post. This constance change is not good at all especially for such a young player who is just starting out. She needs constancy and she needs to develop her game first before she starts with all the changes in coaches.
 

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Bouchard will regress in the short term. However, in the long term, she will benefit from getting rid of Saviano.
 

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10sfan said:
Bouchard will regress in the short term. However, in the long term, she will benefit from getting rid of Saviano.
Saviano got her to three grandslam semis and has been her mentor for eight years.The transition will not be seamless.....:popcorn
 

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Bouchard will regress in the short term. However, in the long term, she will benefit from getting rid of Saviano.

I agree with you. I kind of don't understand why everyone here keeps saying she needs to fix some things about her game, add new dimensions, and then completely knocks her for changing coaches. Isn't that kind of the idea of new coaching partnerships?
 

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Well at least we have something to talk about. I am in a flux as to how this will help or hinder her in the immediate term. Genie off the court shows some fine maturity in the interviews I have seen of her in Canada. On the court the maturity is still depending, I feel and a coach certainly reflexes on this element. We all have changes in our lives, but with Genie being on the world stage nothing is hidden. Could this year have been such a fast surge, she may have found it all too consuming? Not long before we see if this decision is a right one. I think it is.
 

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For me, her second loss this year to Petra in Wuhan was what made it obvious. Saviano didn't convince her to change an inch in her approach and he was talking on TV like he was a mad scientist experimenting and being quite pleased that she didn't change anything in strategy. She needs some new perspective and new approaches.