Barclays ATP World Tour Finals - Day 1

[tented]

Last year's champion was Novak. The groups have been picked. Who will hold the trophy this year?

Group A:

Nadal
Ferrer
Berdych
Wawrinka

Group B:

Djokovic
Federer
Del Potro
Gasquet


Who do you think will win?

 

[Kieran]

RE: Barclays ATP World Tour Finals - Nov. 4-11

I think the lucky players are the ones who lost yesterday. Group B could be potentially explosive, but Rafa couldn't have asked for a better group, in fairness...

 

[NADAL2005RG]

RE: Barclays ATP World Tour Finals - Nov. 4-11

I was hoping Federer and Nadal were in the same group. Unlucky.

 

[tented]

RE: Barclays ATP World Tour Finals - Nov. 4-11

FYI: I added a poll.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

RE: Barclays ATP World Tour Finals - Nov. 4-11

I think if they asked Nadal to hand pick his group, this is what he would pick. I think B is tougher.

 

[Moxie]

RE: Barclays ATP World Tour Finals - Nov. 4-11

I think if they asked Nadal to hand pick his group, this is what he would pick. I think B is tougher.

I think you're right, Murat. And B does seem rougher.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

RE: Barclays ATP World Tour Finals - Nov. 4-11

That is really a tough group for Federer. I see only two possible future in Group B.

1. Djokovic gets 3 wins, Gasquet gets 3 losses. Whoever wins the match between
Fed and DelPo gets the second semi slot.

2. Gasquet gets 3 losses. All the other three end up with two wins. Now, the
efficiency (percentage of sets won, percentage of games won) will come
into picture and Fed will lose out on that.

Winner of Group A is no brainer. I expect Berdych to make the second SF slot.

I expect both Berdych and Nadal to lose in SF.

The final will be a rematch of the two players who made SF from Group B.
This time the result will be the opposite of previous result.

My crystal ball has never been this clear. It helps to wash and wipe it periodically.

 

[Kieran]

RE: Barclays ATP World Tour Finals - Nov. 4-11

My crystal ball has never been this clear. It helps to wash and wipe it periodically.

:lolz: :clap

 

[NADAL2005RG]

RE: Barclays ATP World Tour Finals - Nov. 4-11

The key is, Nadal will be physically fresher than Del Potro, Djokovic and Federer (now and also probably after the group matches too). That counts for a lot, in addition to Djokovic having an eye on the Davis Cup Final.

 

[brokenshoelace]

RE: Barclays ATP World Tour Finals - Nov. 4-11

These groups are...not very well balanced

 

[kskate2]

RE: Barclays ATP World Tour Finals - Nov. 4-11

These groups are...not very well balanced

Nope.

 

[brokenshoelace]

RE: Barclays ATP World Tour Finals - Nov. 4-11

I think if they asked Nadal to hand pick his group, this is what he would pick. I think B is tougher.

NONSENSE! He'd have swapped Wawrinka with Gasquet :laydownlaughing

 

[kskate2]

RE: Barclays ATP World Tour Finals - Nov. 4-11

My crystal ball has never been this clear. It helps to wash and wipe it periodically.

Make sure you use Windex. Windex cures everything. :grin:

Crystal balls, voodoo dolls, tea leaves! I've seen just about everything on this board. What's next tarot cards? :laydownlaughing

 

[Denis]

RE: Barclays ATP World Tour Finals - Nov. 4-11

Possibly the worst possible outcome for Nole, but a great challenge nonetheless.

Looking forward to this event.

Makes the ye no 1 even more likely for Nadal. If he wins today, he only needs to beat one of these guys....

 

[DarthFed]

RE: Barclays ATP World Tour Finals - Nov. 4-11

DP has a better hope vs Nole than Roger does at this point, whereas Roger could beat DP and they all end up 2-1. Still, Nole is a heavy favorite to go 3-0 and DP and Roger will fight it out for 2nd spot

 

[tented]

RE: Barclays ATP World Tour Finals - Nov. 4-11

Possibly the worst possible outcome for Nole, but a great challenge nonetheless.

The Draw Gods weren't kind, but that's a great attitude, Denisovich.

 

[brokenshoelace]

RE: Barclays ATP World Tour Finals - Nov. 4-11

If you think about it, it might be better for a player to get a more balanced draw (to be clear, neither of those groups are is balanced, for very different reasons), as it would give him the opportunity for an easier semi. For instance, yeah, Nadal is an overwhelming favorite to top his group, but he's almost assuredly going to get a very difficult semi as a result of how stacked the other group is.

 

[Kieran]

RE: Barclays ATP World Tour Finals - Nov. 4-11

If Rafa gets out of his group, he might face a bloodied corpse in the semi. Group B looks like it could be a bloodbath...

 

[Front242]

RE: Barclays ATP World Tour Finals - Nov. 4-11

If you think about it, it might be better for a player to get a more balanced draw (to be clear, neither of those groups are is balanced, for very different reasons), as it would give him the opportunity for an easier semi. For instance, yeah, Nadal is an overwhelming favorite to top his group, but he's almost assuredly going to get a very difficult semi as a result of how stacked the other group is.

The others in group b will be killing themselves in every match though so Nadal is definitely more likely to be fresh which undoubtedly will help in the semi.

 

[Front242]

RE: Barclays ATP World Tour Finals - Nov. 4-11

If Rafa gets out of his group, he might face a bloodied corpse in the semi. Group B looks like it could be a bloodbath...

Snap. Yup. Just what I was thinking.