Ban Reduction Galore

[GameSetAndMath]

It is a good time to committ drug offense in Tennis. The punishment gets reduced easily
on top of starting with less punishment to begin with.

Vic. Troiki's ban reduced by six months to 12 months.

This comes on the heels of reduction for Cilic.


http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2013/11/court-reduces-troickis-ban-12-months-can-play-next-july/49695/

 

[Denis]

Difficult case. Looks like the wanted to make an example out of him. He'll be back next year though.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

a difficult case ??..he dodged a drugs test, ends up being banned for only a year..

hear that kidz..atp say drugs are ok.

 

[Mastoor]

a difficult case ??..he dodged a drugs test, ends up being banned for only a year..

hear that kidz..atp say drugs are ok.

How long would you have him banned for? Have you read anything about the case? I've read entire document from the "independent" itf hearing. Do you know that many players including both ATP #1 and #2 call the doping doctor in this case a liar? Do you know that as a result of this case ATP player asked for the procedure to be changed so no doctor present can lie about what happened?

 

[Iona16]

Just reading some comments from Novak's presser. He's not a happy bunny. I read he had a very long prepared statement. By all accounts it was a very passionate response.

"It proves again that system of WADA and anti-doping does not work. I don't have trust in them anymore. This is total injustice."

"Now it makes me nervous as a player to do any kind of test."

 

[Mastoor]

Cilic now says that he expects everyone apologizing to him because he wasn't doped at all. Nadal said he trusts Troicki. Tsonga says couple of days ago he doesn't trust doping officials.

Nole must be especially paranoid after this because from the point of view of tennis professionals from former Yugoslavia, this was all masterminded against them.

 

[Iona16]

Djokovic slams anti-doping policy

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/nov/06/novak-djokovic-anti-doping-viktor-troicki?CMP=twt_gu

 

[britbox]

Anyone with half a brain knows that refusing to take a test is classed as a failed test. If Troicki and his handlers didn't know this then it's negligence on their behalf. You can't allow any player to say "I don't feel so well - I'll do it tomorrow" as it gives them the opportunity to flush crap out of the blood.

As for Cilic, he DID test positive... his story sounds like another cock and bull fairytale you hear from all sportsman who fail dope tests. How many have you seen holding their hands up and say "It's a fair cop, I did it".... None.

Neither should have had their bans reduced - it makes a farce out of the whole system.

 

[Moxie]

Yes, however, Djokovic has a point, in that the ITP and WADA are not consistent, and I can understand if the players feel they're chasing a moving target.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

a difficult case ??..he dodged a drugs test, ends up being banned for only a year..

hear that kidz..atp say drugs are ok.

How long would you have him banned for? Have you read anything about the case? I've read entire document from the "independent" itf hearing. Do you know that many players including both ATP #1 and #2 call the doping doctor in this case a liar? Do you know that as a result of this case ATP player asked for the procedure to be changed so no doctor present can lie about what happened?

did you read a whole document all by yourself..??..wow, you are a clever boy.

guess what daddio..I read it too, if you want to support buffoons who live in a fantasy world and drug cheats then good for you.

I do not. tennis's reputation is starting to slip into the toilet.

djokovic was sticking up for his friend, nadal talks out of his bottom so much he needs to be quiet for a bit. troiki is a fantasist and a con artist..and dodged the test so he could ingest some masking agents overnight.

typical of you to start mouthing off about anything djokovic related, it just so happens he is winning again that you emerge out of the woodwork.

 

[britbox]

Yes, however, Djokovic has a point, in that the ITP and WADA are not consistent, and I can understand if the players feel they're chasing a moving target.

They should be more consistent - they should give them the full term of the ban instead of reducing it based on ridiculous excuses. The players would complain even more...

 

[Moxie]

Yes, however, Djokovic has a point, in that the ITP and WADA are not consistent, and I can understand if the players feel they're chasing a moving target.

They should be more consistent - they should give them the full term of the ban instead of reducing it based on ridiculous excuses. The players would complain even more...

I agree they should be more consistent, and if they didn't quixotically reduce bans, how could the players complain more? They actually give the players ammunition by being so inconsistent, and covert about their decisions.

 

[britbox]

... because they'd end up with a longer ban.

As many people have said in the past, the ITF should have nothing to do with dope testing due to a conflict of interest with marketing the sport.

 

[Moxie]

... because they'd end up with a longer ban.

As many people have said in the past, the ITF should have nothing to do with dope testing due to a conflict of interest with marketing the sport.

Totally agreed. It should all be done with WADA. ITF makes a mockery of their program by making no bones about their conflict of interest when weighing in on judgments, and reducing bans. They are a joke, and of their own making.

 

[Iona16]

Article includes Novak's full statement.

http://tennis.si.com/2013/11/05/novak-djokovic-rips-itf-and-wada-for-handling-of-victor-troicki-doping-case/

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

Anyone with half a brain knows that refusing to take a test is classed as a failed test. If Troicki and his handlers didn't know this then it's negligence on their behalf. You can't allow any player to say "I don't feel so well - I'll do it tomorrow" as it gives them the opportunity to flush crap out of the blood.

As for Cilic, he DID test positive... his story sounds like another cock and bull fairytale you hear from all sportsman who fail dope tests. How many have you seen holding their hands up and say "It's a fair cop, I did it".... None.

Neither should have had their bans reduced - it makes a farce out of the whole system.

yes I agree, everytime someone fails a test, or misses a test there is always some pathetic poncey excuse..

EVERY SINGLE TIME.

although not atp/itf ..look at how long Marion Jones and Lance Armstrong denied any wrongdoing..the system was so dismal back then they even passed loads of tests..and lied to everyone, when they got caught and all the other cheats/liars/frauds deflect the blame elsewhere.

he has a years ban..troiki loses a year of his career, tennis loses credibility..no one comes out of this smelling of summer flowers. :nono

 

[brokenshoelace]

Nole must be especially paranoid after this because from the point of view of tennis professionals from former Yugoslavia, this was all masterminded against them.

Honestly, we give Nadal2005 (rest his soul) so much crap for moronic statement that it would feel harsh to let this slide...

 

[brokenshoelace]

I love how tennis players supporting someone who failed a test is seen as an indicator of anything. These guys are friends, see each other in the locker room every week, interact, etc... Of course they're going to support one another. Nadal did it for Gasquet despite the ridiculous "kissed a girl at a night club" excuse, and Novak is supporting his friend and countryman... Shocking.

 

[brokenshoelace]

a difficult case ??..he dodged a drugs test, ends up being banned for only a year..

hear that kidz..atp say drugs are ok.

How long would you have him banned for? Have you read anything about the case? I've read entire document from the "independent" itf hearing. Do you know that many players including both ATP #1 and #2 call the doping doctor in this case a liar? Do you know that as a result of this case ATP player asked for the procedure to be changed so no doctor present can lie about what happened?

*Defends someone people who missed tests/failed tests...Attacks Nadal for doping*

Mastoor logic.

 

[Denis]

Yes, however, Djokovic has a point, in that the ITP and WADA are not consistent, and I can understand if the players feel they're chasing a moving target.

They should be more consistent - they should give them the full term of the ban instead of reducing it based on ridiculous excuses. The players would complain even more...

I see your point, but it is also not nuanced. Authorities make mistakes and individuals should be protected against authorities if they do so. That's why there are judicial systems: judges second-guess decisions made by authorities all the time. Apparently, Troicki's case was good enough to get him a reduction of his suspension. You cannot dismiss outright that no mistakes have been made, that's just stupid rigidity to the detriment of an individual.

I think a one year ban is fully justified, because Troicki should have known that (partly) missing a doping test is the same thing as testing positive. But if the circumstances were such that he had reason to believe that he could take the test the next day because of statements made by an official, that is definitely something to take into account when laying down a suspension.