Are Players Delaying Retirement?

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It has seemed to me that we've had relatively few retirements over the past couple of years, which correlates nicely to the aging of the tour and/or lack of younger players. This topic has been discussed at some length on this board, but I went back looked at seeds for the '09 Aussie Open (5 years ago) to how many of those players have hung up the racquet. One may theorize that in 5 years half of those players should have retired, give that 10 years is a rough amount of time a given player is playing tour-level events.

So first off, here is the list:
-Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, Murray, Tsonga, Simon, Roddick, Del Potro
-Blake, Nalbandian, Ferrer, Monfils, Gonzalez, Verdasco, Wawrinka, Soderling
-Almagro, Andreev, Cilic, Berdych, Robredo, Stepanek, Fish, Gasquet
-Karlovic, Safin, Lopez, Mathieu, Tursunov, Schuettler, Melzer, Kohlschreiber

Of these players:
-23 (72%) are still playing on tour
-7 (22%) are retired: Roddick, Blake, Nalbandian, Gonzalez, Andreev, Safin, Schuettler
-2 (6%) are struggling with health issues and likely won't play again: Soderling, Fish

Of the men still on tour, 20 of 23 were seeds at the Aussie Open this year (or would have been had they been healthy). The three unseeded were Stepanek, Karlovic, and Mathieu. That number was surprising to me.

I'm curious to hear your comments on this. I would have expected more than 9 players to be retired/out of tennis 5 years later. By my count, 17 of those 32 men are now over 30, so only half those over 30 have retired. But most of the ones that are playing are still doing so at a high level. So I guess my point is players are playing longer (though I admit I haven't compared this data to 2004 to 2009 for instance - a subject for another past perhaps) and that is helping to prevent younger players from coming up. Also one incentive I haven't heard mentioned much is the money (which it always comes down to anyway). With the growth of prize money, especially for first round slam losers, a players who wanders around the top 100 will collect a 6-figure paycheck for the 4 slams alone not to mention the smaller tournaments and sponsorships etc. I don't know what coaches and physios and travel of course all add up to costing but I would venture it's easier for say the no. 80 ranked player to make a living at tennis now than even 5 years ago.

For comparison, 9 of the 32 women's '09 AO seeds are now retired plus Safina. But only 14 of the 22 remaining players was seeded at this past AO. So similar retirement results but the remaning women have not been nearly as consistent as the men.
 

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In bad economic times, not only ordinary folks postpone retirement, even tennis
player do.:blush:
 

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Davydenko is a pale immitation of his pre 2010 former self these days but is happy to still make some money for something he enjoys. Karlovic could still play and win matches till age 40+ with that serve so why quit? He could easily win a fast grass tournament like Newport with just his serve alone even at 40 years of age so money talks.
 

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A lot of players are happy just "existing" in the tour. First there is still some money to be made, once you are not travelling with a huge team. Second, it is a nice life...what are you going to do, sit at home and watch reruns of Friends? For most players, this is their life, all they know...

Also I am sure there are a bunch of guys out there that are old but they want to make sure they REALLY get it out of their system before they call it a day. They want to have no question marks when they hang up the stick, because coming back in this sport after a lengthy break is very hard.
 

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Marc Gicquel, Michael Russell, Radek Stepanek, Tommy Haas, Ivo Karlovic. These guys are the oldest on tour but they're still doing well and enjoying themselves so why quit?

Marc Gicquel is 37 tomorrow. Oldest guy on tour and had some decent results of late. Tommy Haas is the next oldest and played an incredible match against Federer at Indian Wells and barring shoulder problems plaguing him badly again should continue to do well this year. He's been overplaying a bit much and I hope he wises up. He has a shot still at making the WTF this year and amazingly never has. Probably explains playing too many silly small tournaments this year and last to amass points.
 

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Front242 said:
Marc Gicquel, Michael Russell, Radek Stepanek, Tommy Haas, Ivo Karlovic. These guys are the oldest on tour but they're still doing well and enjoying themselves so why quit?

Marc Gicquel is 37 tomorrow. Oldest guy on tour and had some decent results of late. Tommy Haas is the next oldest and played an incredible match against Federer at Indian Wells and barring shoulder problems plaguing him badly again should continue to do well this year. He's been overplaying a bit much and I hope he wises up. He has a shot still at making the WTF this year and amazingly never has. Probably explains playing too many silly small tournaments this year and last to amass points.


Don't forget old lion Lleyton who won Brisbane in jan...
 

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isabelle said:
Front242 said:
Marc Gicquel, Michael Russell, Radek Stepanek, Tommy Haas, Ivo Karlovic. These guys are the oldest on tour but they're still doing well and enjoying themselves so why quit?

Marc Gicquel is 37 tomorrow. Oldest guy on tour and had some decent results of late. Tommy Haas is the next oldest and played an incredible match against Federer at Indian Wells and barring shoulder problems plaguing him badly again should continue to do well this year. He's been overplaying a bit much and I hope he wises up. He has a shot still at making the WTF this year and amazingly never has. Probably explains playing too many silly small tournaments this year and last to amass points.


Don't forget old lion Lleyton who won Brisbane in jan...

There are quite a few players Hewitt and Fed's age that I didn't include. All the above are 35 or over. Gicquel is 37 tomorrow. I mentioned the very oldest on tour. Between 30-35 there are many veteran players still active.
 

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Here's a related article I found on the great American journeyman Michael Russell.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/miguelmorales/2013/08/26/aces-into-assets-how-michael-russell-has-made-a-profitable-career-in-the-demanding-world-of-pro-tennis/
 

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Very informative article. Cheers secrettennisjunkie. Russell also has a publicist too, remember? :D The supposed guy who wrote the defamatory remarks about Hewitt and not he himself. Yeah right! :D
 

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If I understand secrettennisjunkie correctly, the question is not as much why they're still playing, but if this is different than in past eras, and if so is there some reason that older players are lasting longer.

I honestly don't know, but think a study could be done on the age of the top 50 or so throughout different eras.
 

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Marc Gicquel is 37 since March 30th and playing well this year. Oldest guy on tour as far as I know.
 

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Some players just peak in their early 30' these days.
one was mentioned many times, Ferrer with his master title and slam final, and his highest ranking #3;
another one is Nicholas Mahut, who won his first 2 titles on grass last year when 31 and he just posted his highest ranking 3 weeks ago at the age of 32 at #39.

Another French player, Edouard Roger-Vasselin also posted his highest ranking at 30 y og age, in February this year #35. His single best results, runner up were achieved at 29 in Delray Beach and at 30 this year in Chennai.

Both Mahut and Roger-Vasselin re more accomplished doubles players than singles, so a reason for them to improve later in career in singles was because they early on focused more probably on doubles.
 

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herios said:
Some players just peak these days in their early 30' these days.
one was mentioned many times, Ferrer with his master title and slam title, and his highest ranking #3;
another one is Nicholas Mahut, who won his first 2 titles on grass last year when 31 and he just posted his highest ranking 3 weeks ago at the age of 32 at #39.

Another French player, Edouard Roger-Vasselin also posted his highest ranking at 30 y og age, in February this year #35. His single best results, runner up were achieved at 29 in Delray Beach and at 30 this year in Chennai.

Both Mahut and Roger-Vasselin re more accomplished doubles players than singles, so a reason for them to improve later in career in singles was because they early on focused more probably on doubles.

You mean slam final for Ferrer;) That guy ain't ever winning a slam title other than the title of "he who pushed the most linesmen in a grumpy fit of uncalled for rage."
 

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Front242 said:
herios said:
Some players just peak these days in their early 30' these days.
one was mentioned many times, Ferrer with his master title and slam title, and his highest ranking #3;
another one is Nicholas Mahut, who won his first 2 titles on grass last year when 31 and he just posted his highest ranking 3 weeks ago at the age of 32 at #39.

Another French player, Edouard Roger-Vasselin also posted his highest ranking at 30 y og age, in February this year #35. His single best results, runner up were achieved at 29 in Delray Beach and at 30 this year in Chennai.

Both Mahut and Roger-Vasselin re more accomplished doubles players than singles, so a reason for them to improve later in career in singles was because they early on focused more probably on doubles.

You mean slam final for Ferrer;) That guy ain't ever winning a slam title other than the title of "he who pushed the most linesmen in a grumpy fit of uncalled for rage."

I corrected my error. Slam final of course.
 

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herios said:
Both Mahut and Roger-Vasselin re more accomplished doubles players than singles, so a reason for them to improve later in career in singles was because they early on focused more probably on doubles.

Hmm...that's a kind way to put it, but my sense is that most accomplished doubles players focused on doubles because they're much better at it than singles. So while what you're saying is true, it misses the first part: "focused more on doubles because didn't excel at singles."

As for players peaking in their 30s, they are the exceptions and not the rule. It is interesting to note that no super-elite player ever had their absolute peak in their 30s - its always second and third tier guys. I think this is simply because its very difficult to play at a super-elite level in one's 30s. Agassi did it for a few years, Roger did it at least at at age 31 (2012), and of course there's Laver's great age-31 season.

But all of the greats reached their peak level earlier on and then were either able to maintain it, or come back to it in an Indian Summer before winding down. Not one rose up and reached their highest level after age 30; even Agassi's very best year was either his age 25 (1995) or 29 (1999) seasons, with age 31 (2001) and age 33 (2003) a step behind.
 

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Another old player still around that I'd almost forgotten about is Ruben Ramirez Hidalgo, now 36. Best results on clay and I have horrible memories of being in the gym with a 6 match (I think) accumulator for €500 and as always happens one loses. In this case it was Sebastian Grosjean (there's a blast from the past) who lost 7-3 I think in a 5th set TB and had he won as I picked him to I would've won €17,500. Damn you Ruben Ramirez Hidalgo! But good to see you're still playing at 36.
 

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Forget tennis player. The typical man in USA retires at 70 these days compared to
60 to 65 some years ago. :huh: