Agassi: Djokovic is 30 but he has body of a 25 years old man

[Obsi]

He said that during interview for ESPN

Before you say Andre is talking nonsense, read this https://www.theguardian.com/science...icker-and-die-younger-regardless-of-lifestyle

Maybe we should revise our predictions about how many slams will Djokovic end his career with?

 

[britbox]

I think you predicted 18 last time. Are you revising that prediction to be higher?

 

[Nekro]

Agassi is just saying that cause he's coaching Djokovic......

I always said one of Djokovic's big weaknesses is his body..... He simply has a weak one, like someone who was born too early... Narrow sickly chest, etc.... people like that always get wrecked sooner as years go by in any sport or just in everyday life....

 

[Obsi]

I think you predicted 18 last time. Are you revising that prediction to be higher?

I haven't predicted 18. I said it's "realistic" which in other words means it isn't an outrageous prediction. Now, yes, I'd say he will end up with 18.

Agassi is just saying that cause he's coaching Djokovic......

I always said one of Djokovic's big weaknesses is his body..... He simply has a weak one, like someone who was born too early... Narrow sickly chest, etc.... people like that always get wrecked sooner as years go by in any sport or just in everyday life....

If Novak had a weak body, he would have been prone to injuries but he isn't. Do you have any better argument?

 

[Nekro]

If Novak had a weak body, he would have been prone to injuries but he isn't. Do you have any better argument?

Argument? What argument? I was just stating a very general impression.....

Those who read my stuff may even have thought i was contradicting myself because in a post where i was trolling Murray i said Novak is a better gymnast.....


Anyway, being injury free doesn't mean you have a strong body..... look at Fed's upper body for example, big chest, wide shoulders, and he has better easy power and he's a better shotmaker....

Novak is a pusher......

being an injury free weakling doesn't mean you're actually a strong and powerful person......

while it lasts Novak will be sliding and gliding around more easily than Murray who got quite heavy and will have more injuries probably but Novak has the body type that according to my knowledge is not too good in the long run..... That's what i think k ? If Agassi and you are right i will be very happy, ok ?

 

[Obsi]

Argument? What argument? I was just stating a very general impression.....

Those who read my stuff may even have thought i was contradicting myself because in a post where i was trolling Murray i said Novak is a better gymnast.....


Anyway, being injury free doesn't mean you have a strong body..... look at Fed's upper body for example, big chest, wide shoulders, and he has better easy power and he's a better shotmaker....

Novak is a pusher......

being an injury free weakling doesn't mean you're actually a strong and powerful person......

while it lasts Novak will be sliding and gliding around more easily than Murray who got quite heavy and will have more injuries probably but Novak has the body type that according to my knowledge is not too good in the long run..... That's what i think k ? If Agassi and you are right i will be very happy, ok ?

In your previous post you stated that people with body like Djokovic's "always get wrecked sooner as years go by in any sport". So, in that context, being injury free for so long as Novak means he has a strong body.

 

[Nekro]

In your previous post you stated that people with body like Djokovic's "always get wrecked sooner as years go by in any sport". So, in that context, being injury free for so long as Novak means he has a strong body.

No buddy, you just interpreted it that way..... I'll be more precise: I think Novak won't be able to adapt the way Fed was able to and he won't be winning GSs at 35..... cause the gymnast/duracell bunny stuff will be basic stuff and Novak doesn't have the power and the shotmaking ability of Fed..... Hell, Novak doesn't have the shotmaking ability of many of the upcoming youngsters...... Are you watching the new guys bro?

 

[Obsi]

No buddy, you just interpreted it that way..... I'll be more precise: I think Novak won't be able to adapt the way Fed was able to and he won't be winning GSs at 35..... cause the gymnast/duracell bunny stuff will be basic stuff and Novak doesn't have the power and the shotmaking ability of Fed..... Hell, Novak doesn't have the shotmaking ability of many of the upcoming youngsters...... Are you watching the new guys bro?

It's clear what you meant but you're stubborn and unwilling to admit you were wrong. Djokovic has a more flexible and better body for tennis than Federer.

And Novak's gymnast ability is something you are born with.

 

[Nekro]

It's clear what you meant but you're stubborn and unwilling to admit you were wrong. Djokovic has a more flexible and better body for tennis than Federer.

And Novak's gymnast ability is something you are born with.

?????? Nah i wasn't wrong, nah, Fed has a better body...... Fed is a superior player in every respect.....

Djoko is a tryhard Fed is a natural.... get a clue man, just look at their movement on grass...... gymnast or no Novak has no clue how to move on grass to save his life..... Fed has no need to act like a gymnast he can move intelligently and gracefully on grass.... Fed is a more intelligent player in other aspects of his game too, better versatility, better timing, Fed is basically doing everything better than Novak.....

Do you really think that age won't affect Novak at all and there won't be players with Kyrgios talent who also have some work ethic and maybe some gymnast abilities too???

Even talented youngsters with totally crap work ethic can fry Novak's ass don't you think as he's getting older it will be even worse????

But if you want to hear something like yes yes i revised all i thought based on what Agassi said and now i think Novak is gonna win 25 GSs i'm gonna say that if that makes you happy lol......

 

[Obsi]

?????? Nah i wasn't wrong, nah, Fed has a better body...... Fed is a superior player in every respect.....

Djoko is a tryhard Fed is a natural.... get a clue man, just look at their movement on grass...... gymnast or no Novak has no clue how to move on grass to save his life..... Fed has no need to act like a gymnast he can move intelligently and gracefully on grass.... Fed is a more intelligent player in other aspects of his game too, better versatility, better timing, Fed is basically doing everything better than Novak.....

Do you really think that age won't affect Novak at all and there won't be players with Kyrgios talent who also have some work ethic and maybe some gymnast abilities too???

Even talented youngsters with totally crap work ethic can fry Novak's ass don't you think as he's getting older it will be even worse????

But if you want to hear something like yes yes i revised all i thought based on what Agassi said and now i think Novak is gonna win 25 GSs i'm gonna say that if that makes you happy lol......

I want you to admit you were wrong but only if it's genuine admission.

Federer is superior to Djokovic in just one aspect: more aesthetically pleasing game to the eye. In everything else, Roger is inferior to Novak.

Of course age will eventually prevent Djokovic from winning slams but It won't happen at least for another 6-7 years. There will be some players from younger generation who will prevent him from winning some slams but I believe he will end up with 18 slams.

 

[mrzz]

I agree that 18 slams are still realistic for Djokovic. People usually make their predictions based on what is happening right now, so no wonder no one saw this year coming. If you think of it, it is quite stupid that people changed their 20 slams predictions for Djokovic to something around 13/14 in less than a year. It is like changing the prediction of the outcome of a match after every single game.

Having said that, my prediction would be around 16.

 

[DarthFed]

He's Djoker's coach. He has to say that.

As for how many he ends with I'd say it depends on this Wimbledon and the USO and 2018 AO. If he wins at least one we can say he's still right in the mix and could win a few more. If he doesn't win any of the next three he may be done. Unlike Nadal, Djokovic isn't the guaranteed heavy favorite at any slam every year.

 

[Obsi]

He's Djoker's coach. He has to say that.

I haven't heard Toni Nadal saying that Rafa has body of a 25 years old man.

 

[DarthFed]

I want you to admit you were wrong but only if it's genuine admission.

Federer is superior to Djokovic in just one aspect: more aesthetically pleasing game to the eye. In everything else, Roger is inferior to Novak.

Of course age will eventually prevent Djokovic from winning slams but It won't happen at least for another 6-7 years. There will be some players from younger generation who will prevent him from winning some slams but I believe he will end up with 18 slams.

Hilarious. Nole clearly has the better serve and net play too, right? Just face the facts, he has shown signs of losing a step and a 36 year old grandpa has outplayed him and everyone else this year. Even most Rafa fans know Fed is most skilled, even being way slower around the court as compared to his prime hasn't rendered him irrelevant. Even playing on slow-medium surfaces year round hasn't rendered him irrelevant. Be thankful there isn't a real grass court major or more fast tourneys like Cincy.

Take elite movement away from Nole and Rafa and they are not anywhere near the same. Rafa could still be winning on clay at 35, but he will be terrible on anything without a slow, high bounce. Nole won't be winning at 35.

 

[DarthFed]

I haven't heard Toni Nadal saying that Rafa has body of a 25 years old man.

I remember Paul Annacone saying similar things about Roger 5-6 years ago. Most coaches aren't going to say their guy is old and lacking energy.

 

[Obsi]

Hilarious. Nole clearly has the better serve and net play too, right? Just face the facts, he has shown signs of losing a step and a 36 year old grandpa has outplayed him and everyone else this year. Even most Rafa fans know Fed is most skilled, even being way slower around the court as compared to his prime hasn't rendered him irrelevant. Even playing on slow-medium surfaces year round hasn't rendered him irrelevant. Be thankful there isn't a real grass court major or more fast tourneys like Cincy.

Take elite movement away from Nole and Rafa and they are not anywhere near the same. Rafa could still be winning on clay at 35, but he will be terrible on anything without a slow, high bounce. Nole won't be winning at 35.

1. When I said Djokovic is better than Federer in everything except being aesthetically pleasing to the eye I meant:
- overall better gamewise
- mentally stronger
- higher tennis intelligence
- better body for tennis

2. Federer's level of play in 2017 is far closer to his level in 2006 than Djokovic's in 2017 to his level in 2011.

I remember Paul Annacone saying similar things about Roger 5-6 years ago. Most coaches aren't going to say their guy is old and lacking energy.

Can you prove that most coaches say their guy has body 5 years younger than their age?

 

[DarthFed]

1. When I said Djokovic is better than Federer in everything except being aesthetically pleasing to the eye I meant:
- overall better gamewise
- mentally stronger
- higher tennis intelligence
- better body for tennis

2. Federer's level of play in 2017 is far closer to his level in 2006 than Djokovic's in 2017 to his level in 2011.



Can you prove that most coaches say their guy has body 5 years younger than their age?

If he is struggling with motivation at this point he is not mentally stronger. There are aspects of the game where I agree Nole is better, including parts where he is mentally tougher than Roger but you're ignoring that he is having motivation issues even though he is only the 3rd greatest player right now. He shouldn't be having any issues staying motivated.

Higher tennis intelligence? Based on what exactly?

Better body for tennis? Maybe, he certainly is a lot more flexible but Fed's style and movement takes a lesser toll on his body. Nole has had more injuries throughout the years and is 6 years younger, we will see if he avoids a serious injury like Roger had last year.

Fed doesn't play anything like 2006, far different style of play. Overall, he is not as good and a big part of that is he realizes he can't play a full schedule and hope to play well when it matters most. Unless he wins 1 of the 2 remaining slams this year he probably won't finish in the top 2. But of course he is playing closer to 2006 level than Nole is to 2011 level. No doubt about that.

Can you prove that Agassi truly believes what he said and wasn't just propping up his new player? Most coaches don't get interviewed anyways, only coaches of elite players.

 

[the AntiPusher]

If he is struggling with motivation at this point he is not mentally stronger. There are aspects of the game where I agree Nole is better, including parts where he is mentally tougher than Roger but you're ignoring that he is having motivation issues even though he is only the 3rd greatest player right now. He shouldn't be having any issues staying motivated.

Higher tennis intelligence? Based on what exactly?

Better body for tennis? Maybe, he certainly is a lot more flexible but Fed's style and movement takes a lesser toll on his body. Nole has had more injuries throughout the years and is 6 years younger, we will see if he avoids a serious injury like Roger had last year.

Fed doesn't play anything like 2006, far different style of play. Overall, he is not as good and a big part of that is he realizes he can't play a full schedule and hope to play well when it matters most. Unless he wins 1 of the 2 remaining slams this year he probably won't finish in the top 2. But of course he is playing closer to 2006 level than Nole is to 2011 level. No doubt about that.

Can you prove that Agassi truly believes what he said and wasn't just propping up his new player? Most coaches don't get interviewed anyways, only coaches of elite players.

Who knows if Agassi is spending his spare time with "Slim" again these days

 

[Ricardo]

1. When I said Djokovic is better than Federer in everything except being aesthetically pleasing to the eye I meant:
- overall better gamewise
- mentally stronger
- higher tennis intelligence
- better body for tennis

2. Federer's level of play in 2017 is far closer to his level in 2006 than Djokovic's in 2017 to his level in 2011.



Can you prove that most coaches say their guy has body 5 years younger than their age?

if you ask people to 'prove'....how about you prove that Djoker has overall better game? just considered for a second, Federer has won more with an 'inferior' game and is still doing it in his mid-30s. also in 2011 when Djoker was at his absolute best, Fed beat him at RG and almost repeated it at USO after winning first 2 sets and being up match points.......there is the guy at his best and another who was past it. Fed was off his best and much older, he wouldn't have even made it a match if he didn't have an overall better game. You have a case about Novak being mentally tougher there, as it does apply to when one is able to fight back from being match points down.

Insane fans

 

[Obsi]

If he is struggling with motivation at this point he is not mentally stronger.

In his recent interviews he said that motivation isn't problem anymore. We don't know what would have happened if Federer had won 4 slams in a row and was in exactly the same situation as Djokovic.

Higher tennis intelligence? Based on what exactly?

I think Novak has better ability to adapt game and strategy to deal successfully with opponents' different styles and approaches.

but Fed's style and movement takes a lesser toll on his body. Nole has had more injuries throughout the years and is 6 years younger

So?

Can you prove that Agassi truly believes what he said and wasn't just propping up his new player? Most coaches don't get interviewed anyways, only coaches of elite players.

I quoted Agassi but I didn't claim he truly believes what he said. I don't need to prove anything. Can you prove that most coaches say their guy has body 5 years younger than their age?

if you ask people to 'prove'....how about you prove that Djoker has overall better game?

It's a matter of opinion whether Djokovic has overall better game but it isn't matter of opinion what most coaches say.

just considered for a second, Federer has won more with an 'inferior' game and is still doing it in his mid-30s.

Federer won more because he faced easier opponents than Djokovic

also in 2011 when Djoker was at his absolute best, Fed beat him at RG and almost repeated it at USO after winning first 2 sets and being up match points.......there is the guy at his best and another who was past it. Fed was off his best and much older, he wouldn't have even made it a match if he didn't have an overall better game.

2011 was the year of Djokovic at his absolute best but he didn't play like that in every match. For example, he played crap versus Berdych in Dubai. Against Federer at FO, Novak played well but it wasn't his best tennis.