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Here's a chart for y'all. It includes every Open Era big title by the birth year of the player.

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As with many such charts, the details are less important than the overall visual impression. As you can see, it runs from 1928 (Pancho Gonzales) to 2003 (Carlos Alcaraz and Holger Rune). Players with multiple big titles have their own color, while single big title winners are in gray - but it is hard to tell unless you zoom in. I've also included spaces on the lower half of the chart, so you can better see distinct winners.

When I create such charts, part of my motivation is to look for patterns. Really, there aren't any - or at least, they're pretty general. This charts shows us the "waves" of great players, which are pretty regular though without a clear pattern. About all you could say is that great players come around every few years, but in a very general sort of way. Sometimes they're clustered, sometimes not.

Perhaps the most notable conclusion that one can take from the above chart is nothing new: there was a long dry spell without a new great player emerging after Novak and Andy. For Slam winners, you had Cilic and Del Potro in 1988, then a big gap until Thiem in 93, a small gap to Medvedev in 96, then a moderate gap until Sinner in 2001 and Alcaraz in 2003. Those gaps might be filled in a bit, if Next Genners and younger players win their maiden Slams. But it isn't guaranteed - it is quite possible that Sinner marks the start of a new era, with all future Slams won by him and younger players. But there's still time for a Zverev or even a Tsitsipas, Fritz, or Rublev to add some color in there.

Both Sinner and Alcaraz have now won more Slams than all players born between 1989-2000 (2 total, Thiem and Medvedev). Kind of crazy, in terms of Open Era history; I suppose the closest eqivalent is Roger winning more Slams (20) than all players born between 1972-80 (15). Obviously this is the Big Three's fault, with a bit of help from Murray and Wawrinka. In a way it makes the Del Potro and Cilic Slams all the more impressive: Del Potro won his during the Fedal reign, and Cilic when all of the Big Four were within their prime years.
 

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Here's a chart for y'all. It includes every Open Era big title by the birth year of the player.

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As with many such charts, the details are less important than the overall visual impression. As you can see, it runs from 1928 (Pancho Gonzales) to 2003 (Carlos Alcaraz and Holger Rune). Players with multiple big titles have their own color, while single big title winners are in gray - but it is hard to tell unless you zoom in. I've also included spaces on the lower half of the chart, so you can better see distinct winners.

When I create such charts, part of my motivation is to look for patterns. Really, there aren't any - or at least, they're pretty general. This charts shows us the "waves" of great players, which are pretty regular though without a clear pattern. About all you could say is that great players come around every few years, but in a very general sort of way. Sometimes they're clustered, sometimes not.

Perhaps the most notable conclusion that one can take from the above chart is nothing new: there was a long dry spell without a new great player emerging after Novak and Andy. For Slam winners, you had Cilic and Del Potro in 1988, then a big gap until Thiem in 93, a small gap to Medvedev in 96, then a moderate gap until Sinner in 2001 and Alcaraz in 2003. Those gaps might be filled in a bit, if Next Genners and younger players win their maiden Slams. But it isn't guaranteed - it is quite possible that Sinner marks the start of a new era, with all future Slams won by him and younger players. But there's still time for a Zverev or even a Tsitsipas, Fritz, or Rublev to add some color in there.

Both Sinner and Alcaraz have now won more Slams than all players born between 1989-2000 (2 total, Thiem and Medvedev). Kind of crazy, in terms of Open Era history; I suppose the closest eqivalent is Roger winning more Slams (20) than all players born between 1972-80 (15). Obviously this is the Big Three's fault, with a bit of help from Murray and Wawrinka. In a way it makes the Del Potro and Cilic Slams all the more impressive: Del Potro won his during the Fedal reign, and Cilic when all of the Big Four were within their prime years.

Very impressive! I feel for you, me, & others coming up w/ charts, stats, stories, & history only to tell the world at large again & again that the BIG 3 have owned the Open Era for 20+ yrs.! Their #'s will NEVER be surpassed unless they go "New Gen" scoring like their YEC & make Majors BO3! Going 5 grueling sets takes yrs. off a players' longevity! IDK how anyone can have the passion & physical stamina to match what Fed, Nadal, & Djokr have done for such a long period of time! CONGRATS to Kansas City Chiefs def. Buffalo Bills 32-29 attempting a 3-Peat for a 4th Super Bowl in 7 yrs.! :partying-face::fearful-face::face-with-hand-over-mouth::astonished-face::clap:
 

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Very impressive! I feel for you, me, & others coming up w/ charts, stats, stories, & history only to tell the world at large again & again that the BIG 3 have owned the Open Era for 20+ yrs.! Their #'s will NEVER be surpassed unless they go "New Gen" scoring like their YEC & make Majors BO3! Going 5 grueling sets takes yrs. off a players' longevity! IDK how anyone can have the passion & physical stamina to match what Fed, Nadal, & Djokr have done for such a long period of time! CONGRATS to Kansas City Chiefs def. Buffalo Bills 32-29 attempting a 3-Peat for a 4th Super Bowl in 7 yrs.! :partying-face::fearful-face::face-with-hand-over-mouth::astonished-face::clap:
No doubt, it is amazing. My money would be on the next generation of greats (Alcaraz, Sinner, ?) being less dominant than the Big Three - it just makes sense. But at some point we'll see something we haven't seen before. There is no "norm" - each era is different. I mean, for most of the Open Era a "great" was within a certain range of dominance, and the Big Three broke that...not as much in terms of peak dominance, but more in terms of longevity. I don't see why we cannot see some new generation - whether in 10 or 50 years - break the mold in some significant way.

p.s. Don't even get me started on the sham that is the NFL. It is so obviously rigged. The Chiefs are a great team, but anyone with eyes can see that the refs tip the scale in their favor, time and time again. Bookies, is my guess.
 

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p.s. Don't even get me started on the sham that is the NFL. It is so obviously rigged. The Chiefs are a great team, but anyone with eyes can see that the refs tip the scale in their favor, time and time again. Bookies, is my guess.
Good omen: The last year Novak Djokovic didn't win a slam, the Philadelphia Eagles won the Super Bowl.
 
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p.s. Don't even get me started on the sham that is the NFL. It is so obviously rigged. The Chiefs are a great team, but anyone with eyes can see that the refs tip the scale in their favor, time and time again. Bookies, is my guess.
Bills fan here. That "catch", the fourth down (and the spot of the third down before it)... But apart from that two crucial plays in a three point game, nothing happened...
 

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Back to the tennis, I guess the greatness of the big three does not rely on the number of titles, bit in the fact that they somehow managed to win that much and still make tennis very fun to watch. Seems more impossible than anything else ..
 
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Back to the tennis, I guess the greatness of the big three does not rely on the number of titles, bit in the fact that they somehow managed to win that much and still make tennis very fun to watch. Seems more impossible than anything else ..
Yes, true, though as I've said before, eventually it became tedious. Up through 2016 we saw every combination of the Big Four: Federer alone in 2004, Fedal in 2005-10 with Novak as third fiddle from 2007-10; Novadal in 2011-13 with Roger and Murray a bit behind; Novak supreme in 2014-15, then Andokovic in 2016. In 2017 it was almost as if the whole cycle started over again with Fedal, then Novadal in 2018-19, then Novak with Rafa secondary in 2020-23. It felt like watching every Seinfeld episode (great show) then starting over again immediately.
 
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Yes, true, though as I've said before, eventually it became tedious. Up through 2016 we saw every combination of the Big Four: Federer alone in 2004, Fedal in 2005-10 with Novak as third fiddle from 2007-10; Novadal in 2011-13 with Roger and Murray a bit behind; Novak supreme in 2014-15, then Andokovic in 2016. In 2017 it was almost as if the whole cycle started over again with Fedal, then Novadal in 2018-19, then Novak with Rafa secondary in 2020-23. It felt like watching every Seinfeld episode (great show) then starting over again immediately.

It was the reason I started Nole Blog! The last 20+ yrs. have been extraordinary! I actually said that "like Lendl overcoming auras of Borg, Conners, & McEnroe, Novak played 2nd fiddle to Fedal" in those early yrs.! Even though he's overtaken Roger & Nadal in just about every catagory, the tennis intelligentsia out there still honor Fedal as the beginning & end of the game! When Novak was down & out at the end 2016 thru 2017 w/ that elbow situation, I thought he was done! It was exacerbated by what I called "Fedal Redux" as they exerted their supremacy by splitting the major events during that period! The only thing more shocking was the HUGE comeback of Novak in the Summer of 2018, taking back the crown until this last yr. or so!

After winning OGM, Novak's award cabinet was completed, but hardcore fans of the game haven't or won't accept him as the GOAT! W/ me it's trying to undermine the greatness of Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretsky, Barry Bonds, & now Patrick Mahomes! All of them have holes somewhere in their careers while Djokovic truly owned the tour like no other; Roger not excepted! Who thought there would be multiple holders of 3/4 of the majors? After Federer did it 3 times, I thought it would be a record he'd hold, but not only matched and more, Nole did it twice in his 30's; 1 match from a CYGS in 2023! And we called the 90's with Sampras, Agassi, Edberg, Becker, and Courier a golden age! I feel fortunate to have witnessed the Big 3 at work!! :fearful-face::yawningface::angry-face::face-with-hand-over-mouth:
 
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It was the reason I started Nole Blog! The last 20+ yrs. have been extraordinary! I actually said that "like Lendl overcoming auras of Borg, Conners, & McEnroe, Novak played 2nd fiddle to Fedal" in those early yrs.! Even though he's overtaken Roger & Nadal in just about every catagory, the tennis intelligentsia out there still honor Fedal as the beginning & end of the game! When Novak was down & out at the end 2016 thru 2017 w/ that elbow situation, I thought he was done! It was exacerbated by what I called "Fedal Redux" as they exerted their supremacy by splitting the major events during that period! The only thing more shocking was the HUGE comeback of Novak in the Summer of 2018, taking back the crown until this last yr. or so!

After winning OGM, Novak's award cabinet was completed, but hardcore fans of the game haven't or won't accept him as the GOAT! W/ me it's trying to undermine the greatness of Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretsky, Barry Bonds, & now Patrick Mahomes! All of them have holes somewhere in their careers while Djokovic truly owned the tour like no other; Roger not excepted! Who thought there would be multiple holders of 3/4 of the majors? After Federer did it 3 times, I thought it would be a record he'd hold, but not only matched and more, Nole did it twice in his 30's; 1 match from a CYGS in 2023! And we called the 90's with Sampras, Agassi, Edberg, Becker, and Courier a golden age! I feel fortunate to have witnessed the Big 3 at work!! :fearful-face::yawningface::angry-face::face-with-hand-over-mouth:
It is hard not to think of the late 70s to early 80s as the Golden Age. But I agree that the first half or so of the 90s was pretty great with overlapping cohorts of greats, but by the second half, the older guys were out, the "middle" (Becker, Edberg) were fading away, and Pete and Andre became wobbly, at least for periods of time.

Anyhow, I don't think many are denying Novak's GOAT status. I see some Nadalite hold-outs, and maybe one or two Federians, but for the most part, Novak is recognized to be--at the least--first among near equals.
 
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It is hard not to think of the late 70s to early 80s as the Golden Age. But I agree that the first half or so of the 90s was pretty great with overlapping cohorts of greats, but by the second half, the older guys were out, the "middle" (Becker, Edberg) were fading away, and Pete and Andre became wobbly, at least for periods of time.

Anyhow, I don't think many are denying Novak's GOAT status. I see some Nadalite hold-outs, and maybe one or two Federians, but for the most part, Novak is recognized to be--at the least--first among near equals.
For goodness sake, we all know Pancho Gonzales is the GOAT, the man you would want playing for you if your life depended on it! ; )
 

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For goodness sake, we all know Pancho Gonzales is the GOAT, the man you would want playing for you if your life depended on it! ; )
Ha. Love Pancho. Of course if my life depended upon it, it would be Rafa on clay, Novak on hards, and probably Sampras on grass. Sorry, Roger.
 

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Indoor carpet with my life on the line ? Johnny Mac.

Maybe early on before New Tech gear! Lendl, Becker, & Edberg would give him a lot of heartburn; esp. the Djoker of his time, Ivan Lendl! He was the original artisan, but came up short in his attempt to win Wimbledon making 2 Finals & 4 SF! McEnroe & Connors stopped him early, then Becker, Cash, & Edberg took turns! What an era! This one so disappointing w/ absolute clowns in the top 10! :fearful-face::face-with-hand-over-mouth::astonished-face::yawningface::face-with-tears-of-joy:
 

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With the Super Bowl final coming in 2 days, I have to remind you friends that Mahomes is already the greatest quarterback of all time.
 

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With the Super Bowl final coming in 2 days, I have to remind you friends that Mahomes is already the greatest quarterback of all time.

If Mahomes takes this next SB, winning his 3rd in a row, I'll have to anoint him "The GOAT" as we did w/ Michael Jordan after his 1st 3-Peat! Other players (Magic, Kareem, Russell) had more championships, but he was still proclaimed the BOAT! It was a re-enforced sentiment w/ another 3-Peat after coming out of retirement the 1st time! Mahomes has already accomplished more than any other player starting as a rookie who's worst showing is an AFC Conf. Game, soon to be called the "KC Invitational!" :astonished-face::face-with-hand-over-mouth::fearful-face::yawningface::anxious-face-with-sweat:
 
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If Mahomes takes this next SB, winning his 3rd in a row, I'll have to anoint him "The GOAT" as we did w/ Michael Jordan after his 1st 3-Peat! Other players (Magic, Kareem, Russell) had more championships, but he was still proclaimed the BOAT! It was a re-enforced sentiment w/ another 3-Peat after coming out of retirement the 1st time! Mahomes has already accomplished more than any other player starting as a rookie who's worst showing is an AFC Conf. Game, soon to be called the "KC Invitational!" :astonished-face::face-with-hand-over-mouth::fearful-face::yawningface::anxious-face-with-sweat:
No doubt he’s great but least we forget Tom Brady has SEVEN superbowl rings, you can count ‘em.
 
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