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The subject has come up here. Some are against it. It is an issue in the Trump agenda. (Spoiler: he's against it.)

Archie Bunker, the anti-hero of "All in the Family," the top show in the US about 30 years ago, has been invoked when describing the angry white males who support Trump. I got this clip from an old HS friend on Facebook, (who happens to be African-American. It shouldn't matter, but this conversation will be about race, ultimately.) It's very funny, very sharp, and it doesn't pull any punches on "political correctness," in terms of speech. But it is handled by people who know very much what they're saying, and what they're satirizing. In my opinion, this is the difference between being pointedly "incorrect," and being incautiously, and simply, racist. Do give it a look.
 
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I used to love the Jeffersons! Some of the comedy shows in the UK in the 70s can't even be aired now. They really crossed the line. I confess I tend to roll my eyes at political correctness. I have very strong views about equity and fairness, but it does make me chuckle when Cali tries to characterise me as some sort of lefty liberal bleeding heart. I don't understand this new tribal politics where it's seen as almost blasphemous to be critical of politicians or political parties which theoretically should broadly represent your views. To me it makes people seem brainwashed. It should be very rare that one supports everything a politician stands for. It's possible to want small government but believe in universal health care. It's all about having a well thought out set of personal values and priorities. Anyway... it's a strange time we're living in. Good to remember the path that got us here
 
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I used to love the Jeffersons! Some of the comedy shows in the UK in the 70s can't even be aired now. They really crossed the line. I confess I tend to roll my eyes at political correctness. I have very strong views about equity and fairness, but it does make me chuckle when Cali tries to characterise me as some sort of lefty liberal bleeding heart. I don't understand this new tribal politics where it's seen as almost blasphemous to be critical of politicians or political parties which theoretically should broadly represent your views. To me it makes people seem brainwashed. It should be very rare that one supports everything a politician stands for. It's possible to want small government but believe in universal health care. It's all about having a well thought out set of personal values and priorities. Anyway... it's a strange time we're living in. Good to remember the path that got us here
Federberg, I hear they've even decided to edit some of the old Only Fools and Horses repeats... fricken ridiculous.
 

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Federberg, I hear they've even decided to edit some of the old Only Fools and Horses repeats... fricken ridiculous.
Seriously?? Whatever for? This world is going crazy
 

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Others like "paki shop" were edited out too.

Kind of silly stuff. It was a different time.

Also some Fawlty Towers has been edited.
 

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The subject has come up here. Some are against it. It is an issue in the Trump agenda. (Spoiler: he's against it.)

Archie Bunker, the anti-hero of "All in the Family," the top show in the US about 30 years ago, has been invoked when describing the angry white males who support Trump. I got this clip from an old HS friend on Facebook, (who happens to be African-American. It shouldn't matter, but this conversation will be about race, ultimately.) It's very funny, very sharp, and it doesn't pull any punches on "political correctness," in terms of speech. But it is handled by people who know very much what they're saying, and what they're satirizing. In my opinion, this is the difference between being pointedly "incorrect," and being incautiously, and simply, racist. Do give it a look.






Thanks for posting that video, Moxie. It perfectly illustrates just how little white leftists who fancy themselves "anti-racist" actually understand African-Americans, and it also shows just how well the white left poisons educated blacks and plays to their absolute worst instincts. As I was watching it, I was reminded of how stupid SNL looked after the Super Bowl. The night before the game they put forth what they thought was a clever little spoof called "Ebony and Ivory" about Cam Newton and Peyton Manning. One of the wisecracks weaved into the dialogue was that poor Cam Newton gets accused of excessive celebration when he laughs and smiles on the field, but, supposedly, when Peyton Manning does something similar no one accuses him of being a show-off. This is just the kind of script written by unathletic white geeks with as much hope of understanding black athletes as they have of comprehending the manly aggression of ISIS.

Here is the reality about Cam and Peyton: Cam is vastly more athletic. He is faster, quicker, and a better leaper. He can run around an NFL field against the most athletic defenders, running past them and sometimes jumping over them to score touchdowns. He is flamboyant and overtly obnoxious in a very funny way. I actually think he is a better overall player than Manning, who has been a great passer but is, athletically speaking, a compete stiff. He cannot run or move very well compared to most NFL players. And he plays the game in a very different way than Cam. He also did things in an understated manner and simply does not have the charisma of Cam Newton.

Of course, to the white geeks who write the SNL script, this reality is lost on them because, among other reasons, they do not understand sports, especially sports played predominantly by black athletes as football is. But what was funny is that the very next day Cam Newton ticked off all of white America by showing up at his press conference after the loss in a hoodie and hardly agreeing to answer questions.

Now, as for Archie Bunker: all we have with that character is someone expressing certain stereotypes about blacks. That is it. But if white leftists had any minority friends besides the college-indoctrinated minorities they train up (e.g. Jorge Ramos), they would know that minorities have just as many stereotypes ingrained in them about whites as the other way around. Stereotypes are a natural aspect of human life. Sometimes they are wrong, sometimes they are funny, but more often than not they are helpful indicators of reality. This little clip Moxie posted is an attack strictly on conservative whites for holding on to certain stereotypes about blacks that actually have some truth in them. White leftists would never poke fun at themselves for the nasty stereotypes they cling to about Southerners, or Christians, or Germans, or Tea Party members, or Trump supporters, nor would they insult blacks or any other group for stereotypes they hold about conservative whites. White leftists have their own biases, prejudices, and bigotries. This Bunker-Jefferson dialogue is merely an attempt to insult people they don't like. Nothing more than that.

Except for one thing. It illustrates how much white leftists love black people only so long as black people fit their script for cultural change.
 
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I used to love the Jeffersons! Some of the comedy shows in the UK in the 70s can't even be aired now. They really crossed the line. I confess I tend to roll my eyes at political correctness. I have very strong views about equity and fairness, but it does make me chuckle when Cali tries to characterise me as some sort of lefty liberal bleeding heart. I don't understand this new tribal politics where it's seen as almost blasphemous to be critical of politicians or political parties which theoretically should broadly represent your views. To me it makes people seem brainwashed. It should be very rare that one supports everything a politician stands for. It's possible to want small government but believe in universal health care. It's all about having a well thought out set of personal values and priorities. Anyway... it's a strange time we're living in. Good to remember the path that got us here

WE CAN OF COURSE consider that race relatons in the USA are quite complex in themselves -- not least because the USA was and CONTINUES to be based on ''white social order"


REGARDLESS of what anyone says to the contrary.

BUT regardng the expansion of this ''political correctness" nto all matters because some group or individual ''feels offended" --

an INTERVIEW by foreign journalists was give by RUSSIAS SPOKES-WOMAN for the FOREIGN MINISTRY in Moscow some months ago...

some euroepan - and western journalists kept referring or addressing her as

"spoke-PERSON"

this MARIA ZAKHAROVA...

such as when askng " what can you say about the events in syria today, as the FOREIGN MINISTRY'S ....Spokes-PERSON?"


at some point which she started with :

"mister so and so -- let us not be politically correct as you would like it in the west...


I am A spokes-WOMAN -- we are n russia and we call women, women, men, men...no one will get offended by spokesWOMAN"

ROFLMAOO...

ubt i lke BEST her smart quip back at

EMPEROR OBAMA'S BRAGGING months ago:



"Whenever there's trouble anywhere in the world -- countries do not pick up the phone to call Moscow -- they call WASHINGTON, DC!!"

maria zakharova -- tweeted =--

'yes...of course they call washington dc....and then washington dc calls moscow".


AUSTRIA'S HIGHEST OFFICIALS just VISITED moscow -- to ask for moscow's HELP


SAYING:

"WE have always been against the SANCTIONS pushed by the USA upon us russia - bound by our membership n the EU ...and all it has done is HARM us and all of europe to do the bidding of the americans.... -- RUSSIA is closer to us in every way than any other great power and it is time to regain our independence n our decisions".

their TOP GENERAL also went to moscow today -- saying:

"I am coming here to moscow to express that I - austria will NO LONGER act according to the dictates of a certain power across the atlantic".


oops..........
 

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WE CAN OF COURSE consider that race relatons in the USA are quite complex in themselves -- not least because the USA was and CONTINUES to be based on ''white social order"


REGARDLESS of what anyone says to the contrary.

BUT regardng the expansion of this ''political correctness" nto all matters because some group or individual ''feels offended" --

an INTERVIEW by foreign journalists was give by RUSSIAS SPOKES-WOMAN for the FOREIGN MINISTRY in Moscow some months ago...

some euroepan - and western journalists kept referring or addressing her as

"spoke-PERSON"

this MARIA ZAKHAROVA...

such as when askng " what can you say about the events in syria today, as the FOREIGN MINISTRY'S ....Spokes-PERSON?"


at some point which she started with :

"mister so and so -- let us not be politically correct as you would like it in the west...


I am A spokes-WOMAN -- we are n russia and we call women, women, men, men...no one will get offended by spokesWOMAN"

ROFLMAOO...

ubt i lke BEST her smart quip back at

EMPEROR OBAMA'S BRAGGING months ago:



"Whenever there's trouble anywhere in the world -- countries do not pick up the phone to call Moscow -- they call WASHINGTON, DC!!"

maria zakharova -- tweeted =--

'yes...of course they call washington dc....and then washington dc calls moscow".


AUSTRIA'S HIGHEST OFFICIALS just VISITED moscow -- to ask for moscow's HELP


SAYING:

"WE have always been against the SANCTIONS pushed by the USA upon us russia - bound by our membership n the EU ...and all it has done is HARM us and all of europe to do the bidding of the americans.... -- RUSSIA is closer to us in every way than any other great power and it is time to regain our independence n our decisions".

their TOP GENERAL also went to moscow today -- saying:

"I am coming here to moscow to express that I - austria will NO LONGER act according to the dictates of a certain power across the atlantic".


oops..........
It's all well and good for another country's "spokeswoman" to prefer to be addressed that way. But you have to recognize that the option to be addressed either way comes from the US and forcing a certain amount of rights for women and minorities. The US has mostly been the leader in that, and we used the notion that language and speech drives thought to put forward progressive ideas. Which has been effective. As the world moves progressively forward on many fronts, it's easy for some to say that we don't need "politically correct" speech. But think of how many racist words are no longer part of regular parlance...in many countries. It's because of that push. Women and minorities have been the beneficiaries of the US notion of "political correctness," and progressiveness, throughout the world. I'd doubt that you, Teddy, or many on this forum, would use words or expressions that perhaps our parents or grandparents would have said without a second thought. That is a change in language, which changes thought, which changes attitude. And it is progress. Many may not like "political correctness," for what they see as an imposition. But I'd bet that most of you wouldn't go back to the language or thought of 40 years ago.
 
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the 'sp many pictures is just because i dont' know how to take just one . so i copy paste the whole page.

as for putting up the guy -- he is foreign minister of austrai --

and comes from my ''extrpolation" as you put it in another thread --

of global affairs -- in which the point is -- NEWS of such things point to yet another damning ndictment of the USA'S sanctions and ''isolation" of russia

that DEAR LEADER OBAMA bragged about "their economy is in TATTERS as a result of our leadership of the internationall community against russian aggression" ...

in which AUSTRIA a member of the european community -- of which the EMPIRE IS NOT --

has decided "we will not continue takng ORDERS from certain countries as to who to talk to or not" -- and everyone KNOWS who that is ''certain countries"...

pushing europe to further waste their money and their economy to mlitarze some more right up to russia's borders

with the OLD OLD, excuse of ''russian aggression"

towards a war OBAMA'S ADVISERS dearly want - (john kerry being one of them, samantha powers, susan rice, zbigniew brzezinski the notorious russia-phobe and calling hmself a ''son of polish nobles" , madeleine albright...all of them WAR CRMINALS...

WHICH if they REALLY provoke russia to try and grab russian territory -- which europeans have TRIED repeatedly for centuries

all they get is be WIPED OUT n hours...

now -- why do i put up the picture of a young foreign minsgter of austria?

it's because he's one of the leaders in europe that has had COJONES to actually say a year ago -- when the sanctions BRAGGED ABOUT by the USA towards russia for russia's REFUSAL to allow americans to ''privatize russian" lands -- and businesses - and refusal to OBEY america attempts to DESTROY the sovereign state of syria - like it did with libya, yemen, afghanistan, iraq...ALL ON FALSE EXCUSES ...causing untold destruction and misery wrought by

your ''PROGESSIVE" neoliberal empire...in the name of ''spreading freedom and democracy"....

lol.

that austria AIN'T interested n continuing to be a lackey of the empire from across the atlantic that - really -- has NO BUSINESS telling europe who tp be ''friends with"

lol.

now you mentioned about zakharova as \'some woman from some country"

which just goes to show the utter ARROGANCE of americans about your ''progressiveness"

thnking that the world revo;lves around the american belly button.

by the way -- did everyone know that

RUSSIA'S most revered POET was a BLACK MAN DESCENDANT from africa long ago?

yup -- ALEXANDER PUSHKIN that russians consider their most beloved poet and called him 'our black poet".

with absolutely NO defensiveness of it. because his grandfather was a slave in africa to a royal -- who ''gifted" hm as a boy to serve the royal courts of russia 300 years ago...but the russian court fell in love with the boy -- adopted him into the family, brought him up as the czar's closest adviser - and made him into a nobleman ..and he started the line that turned up the great poet alexander pushkin .
 

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as for ''progress" moxie --


amazing progress....


to people around the world ...american ''progress" only means

"''here they come again -- dropping bombs on us".

u know like from those very progressively destructive and murderous rampage DEAR LEADER OBAMA attempted -- and succeeded to a very great extent in syria -- UNTIL PUTIN STOPPED the whole sorry scheme of introducing ''ASSAD MUST GO " regime change becahse assad

''ain't progressive enough like US - americans" --

so never mind if it means sending in CIA TRAINED AND PENTAGON trained, saudi financed, turkey enabled (as main training center - admitted just yesterday by the Pentagon who of course MAKE REPORTS TO THEIR COMMANDER N CHIEF FOR APPROVAL) --

and never mind that its RESULTS are the p[oor miserable homeless tens of millions driven from the WARS THE USA of DEAR LEADER PROGRESSVE OBAMA brought upon their sorry heads


BECAUSE some of them hjappen to hae a leader like ''AUTHORITARIAN ASSAD" - WHO won't BOY to the AMERICAN AUTHORITIES!!

and allow SAUDI-QATARI pipelines THROUGH HIS LAND to europe but instead prefered to trade HIS own oil IN -- you guessed it --

CURRENCIES OUTSIDE THE USA PETRO-DOLLAR...

neat little trick of DEAR LEADER , ain't it?


SEND IN the resulting TERRORISTS from the destruction of LIBYA AND IRAQ funded by the SAUDI wahhabists --

in order to destroy yet another country that was being disobedient!

except PUTIN said :

"enough! -- there will be NO MORE regime changes by a country "

the USA that has UTTER CONTEMPT for the rights of nations to follow THEIR own path of development - just b ecause 'PROGRESSIVE" AMERCA doesn't like THEIR ways!

i mean -- americans LOVE to gab about "'we are under threat -- because they want to change our way of life! "


but look at yourselves in the i
mirror

if you are EVEN SLIGHTLY honest...

what YOU HAVE DONE to country after country because they are not YOU -- or are refusing to OBEY american wishes!

lol.,

NONE of you -- americans have ANY right to lecture anyuone in this world about ''PROGRESS" AND HUMAN RIGHTS AND LIBERTY AND EQUALITY AND JUSTICE AND FAIRNESS AND TRUTH!

NONE -- whatsoever.
 
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It's all well and good for another country's "spokeswoman" to prefer to be addressed that way. But you have to recognize that the option to be addressed either way comes from the US and forcing a certain amount of rights for women and minorities. The US has mostly been the leader in that, and we used the notion that language and speech drives thought to put forward progressive ideas. Which has been effective. As the world moves progressively forward on many fronts, it's easy for some to say that we don't need "politically correct" speech. But think of how many racist words are no longer part of regular parlance...in many countries. It's because of that push. Women and minorities have been the beneficiaries of the US notion of "political correctness," and progressiveness, throughout the world. I'd doubt that you, Teddy, or many on this forum, would use words or expressions that perhaps our parents or grandparents would have said without a second thought. That is a change in language, which changes thought, which changes attitude. And it is progress. Many may not like "political correctness," for what they see as an imposition. But I'd bet that most of you wouldn't go back to the language or thought of 40 years ago.

Political correctness is a concept that was invented by one of the greatest mass murderers in human history, namely Vladimir Lenin. It has nothing to do with politeness or kindness or treating others with respect. Its real purpose is to reconstruct human consciousness into something completely unnatural and dishonest to fulfill the moral aspiration of violent Christian heretics like yourself. There is nothing noble about it.

The notion of female progress as some kind of significant force in human culture is one of the most laughable out there. It amounts to post-1950s white women raging against, well, nothing and celebrating, well, nothing again. The fact is, the greatest achievements in the history of civilization have overwhelmingly and almost entirely come from men. We forget about this today because men are so consumed by sports that the academy has been taken over by a collection of freaks, queers, quacks, and twisted feminists. Let's just look at a couple of the most significant areas of human achievement:

- Philosophy
- Science
- Law
- Literature
- Scholarship
- Art
- Music
- Mathematics

If you look at the top achievers and the main pioneers in all of these areas, what you will see is that they are almost all men, even in the areas of literature and art, where women predominate as teachers. Because we live in an age of historical ignorance and amnesia, this basic reality is ignored. In order for women to be elevated into positions of political power, it has been required that humankind invent 45 sports so that men would become so distracted that they hardly care about politics or rigorous mental activity. That is how we ended up with Condoleeza Rice and Hillary Clinton as secretaries of state in a democratic society. That is what we might call leveling the playing field and dumbing things down.

As for the idea that language has by and large improved dramatically in the last 40 years, this is quite a puzzling notion. This is, yet again, something that silly white leftists like to tell themselves to self-congratulate and give themselves a chummy feeling inside. The reality is that in the areas of film and journalism, standards have fallen dramatically. Movies are clearly much more profane than they used to be and our designated "intellectuals" write far worse than they used to. And educational standards have completely collapsed. The only progress has been incidental and minor, namely that white people have been terrorized out of using racial slurs that blacks have used exponentially more than they used to. If Moxie had any black friends who weren't gay, she would know this, but she doesn't.

We Americans have little to be proud of in our political-cultural influence on the world. Our ideas have been pure poison for Western Europe, Germany especially. Unfortunately, the ideas have not run their course and fully caused the harm they will inevitably lead to, but I for one will not feel bad when the American empire of regress and degradation comes crashing down.
 
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Your above is so wrong, and so egregious, it's hard to know where to start. I don't know where you get that Lenin invented political correctness, but there is nothing to support it. It's a US invention of the late 70s early 80s, I'd say.

Your laundry list of the basics of intellectual sovereignty is ruled by the canon which is controlled by men. And men have prevented women from getting an education, so, guess what? Men have more credits. That women have done so well overall across history is a tribute to their intelligence and diligence, given how limited opportunity has been up until late 20th C. Men are achievers and women are teachers? Now you're just being a putz, because you know why that was long and often (but not always) true. Opportunity.

Use of racist language has changed, in common parlance here in the US, and it begins to change in Europe. They have begun to realize that language follows thought, and they have to decide how they will be different societies, as their admixture changes.

And please stop insisting you know anything about my friends, because you don't. It's a jab at me and at my friends; it's uncalled for and a cheap/erroneous shot.
 

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I am at a loss as to figure out why you need to put this guy forward or post so many pictures of him.
as for ''progress" moxie --


amazing progress....


to people around the world ...american ''progress" only means

"''here they come again -- dropping bombs on us".
It's all well and good for another country's "spokeswoman" to prefer to be addressed that way. But you have to recognize that the option to be addressed either way comes from the US and forcing a certain amount of rights for women and minorities. The US has mostly been the leader in that, and we used the notion that language and speech drives thought to put forward progressive ideas. Which has been effective. As the world moves progressively forward on many fronts, it's easy for some to say that we don't need "politically correct" speech. But think of how many racist words are no longer part of regular parlance...in many countries. It's because of that push. Women and minorities have been the beneficiaries of the US notion of "political correctness," and progressiveness, throughout the world. I'd doubt that you, Teddy, or many on this forum, would use words or expressions that perhaps our parents or grandparents would have said without a second thought. That is a change in language, which changes thought, which changes attitude. And it is progress. Many may not like "political correctness," for what they see as an imposition. But I'd bet that most of you wouldn't go back to the language or thought of 40 years ago.


you are quite wrong in one thing> that the USA HAS somehow been ''leading" in such things as ''equality". that MAY be the case in the context of the history of the USA and in fact much of the west itself...in which the notion of women as ''chattel" has been part of the culture...

and therefore americans have- like you - teh tendency to think that what THEY consider as ''advanced
s and progres" within their own societies such as ''equality of women and men" - is somehow SUCH A unique, original notion that NO ONE in the world outside had ever thought of it. and therefore comes the notions of "we are leaders".

that is not so.

come from the philippines which has traditionally had been, as far as I know, been a MATRIARCHAL society. in which it was just assumed to us -- the "real power" were women. no matter what it appears like in ''social circles". that is why it was never a problem for that country to, by now have had 2 women presidents..NOT EVEN question worth talking about ..

while in the USA -- IT IS A CAUSE CELEBRE that THE usa is about to have a WOMAN president, oh my god!!!

where women were just about like the SLAVES in being LESS completely human than the WHITE LANDED GENTRY of the USA before evne GETTING voice in eelections --

RUSSIA ALREADY was building CRIMEA , SEVASTOPOL (The naval base the USA TRIED TO GRAB LAST YEAR FROM RUSSIA by means of the regime change in KIEV that administered CRimea before the crimean/russians demanded to be 'TAKEN HOME BY MOTHER RUSSIA" for fear of what KIEV would do to them)...

WERE already the 'PEARL of the Black sea" under the direction of EMpress Catherine the GREAT....

in other words -=- to "some woman spoke "person" (in USA WESTERN NEUTER POLITICAL CORRECTNESS so as not to OFFENd any gender or sexual IDENTIFICATION) --

as you put it about the russian lade from their ministry - -Maria Zakharova...

it was not a BIG DEAL to identify something for what it IS...

A WOMAN IS A WOMAN -- NOT A \\'spokesPERSON" -
as if by calling a woman a woman is an OFFENSIVE Thing..or a MAN or a transgender might feel LEFT OUT for being called something else...

and no big deal becaUSE RUSSIA

had LONG BEEN AHEAD of YOUR united states in THE EQUALITY between women and men !

belying YOUR remark that 'WE LEAD IN matters" like these things.

which of course also reflects a HABIT of americans -- that what americans thing THEY achieved in ther society

somehow MUST be something the world HASN\'T found out before!

it is part of this mythology of american '''exceptinalism".

in which you project american ''notions" to the rest of the world -- which ALSO finds its way in your country's ''democracy exports"

'WE ARE THE FREE NATION of the world"

therefore let's BOMB countries into ACCEPTING ''FREEDOM"!

'WE are SO ahead of others we have the RIGHT to judge that they are BACKWARD and therefore need OUR teachings"

by WAR of course.

and on and on and on it goes..whiel YOU -- americans contemplate our navels calling a ''REDUCTION OF the prison population by releasing lesser count crinminals a year ahead of schedule into work-fare" is \


"progress"

even IF teh USA REMAINS AS THE EXCEPTIONAL country


for one that has 350 million in the DENSITY of PRISONERS...some ''progress?".
 

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Political correctness is a concept that was invented by one of the greatest mass murderers in human history, namely Vladimir Lenin. It has nothing to do with politeness or kindness or treating others with respect. Its real purpose is to reconstruct human consciousness into something completely unnatural and dishonest to fulfill the moral aspiration of violent Christian heretics like yourself. There is nothing noble about it.

The notion of female progress as some kind of significant force in human culture is one of the most laughable out there. It amounts to post-1950s white women raging against, well, nothing and celebrating, well, nothing again. The fact is, the greatest achievements in the history of civilization have overwhelmingly and almost entirely come from men. We forget about this today because men are so consumed by sports that the academy has been taken over by a collection of freaks, queers, quacks, and twisted feminists. Let's just look at a couple of the most significant areas of human achievement:

- Philosophy
- Science
- Law
- Literature
- Scholarship
- Art
- Music
- Mathematics

If you look at the top achievers and the main pioneers in all of these areas, what you will see is that they are almost all men, even in the areas of literature and art, where women predominate as teachers. Because we live in an age of historical ignorance and amnesia, this basic reality is ignored. In order for women to be elevated into positions of political power, it has been required that humankind invent 45 sports so that men would become so distracted that they hardly care about politics or rigorous mental activity. That is how we ended up with Condoleeza Rice and Hillary Clinton as secretaries of state in a democratic society. That is what we might call leveling the playing field and dumbing things down.

As for the idea that language has by and large improved dramatically in the last 40 years, this is quite a puzzling notion. This is, yet again, something that silly white leftists like to tell themselves to self-congratulate and give themselves a chummy feeling inside. The reality is that in the areas of film and journalism, standards have fallen dramatically. Movies are clearly much more profane than they used to be and our designated "intellectuals" write far worse than they used to. And educational standards have completely collapsed. The only progress has been incidental and minor, namely that white people have been terrorized out of using racial slurs that blacks have used exponentially more than they used to. If Moxie had any black friends who weren't gay, she would know this, but she doesn't.

We Americans have little to be proud of in our political-cultural influence on the world. Our ideas have been pure poison for Western Europe, Germany especially. Unfortunately, the ideas have not run their course and fully caused the harm they will inevitably lead to, but I for one will not feel bad when the American empire of regress and degradation comes crashing down.

i agree -- the USE OF LANGUAGE in the USA has been thoroughly CORRUPTED.

IT IS used to blur definitions -- in order to ''soothe" sentiments -- and results in

FALSE equivalencies that lack PRECISION of language.

its examples of BAD american"izing" of english :

"BLUE SKIES INITIATIVE" -- OOOO...sounds so innoecnet and bubbly and wonderful -- like some pretty song....about wonderful clear, clean skies and surroundings...

'initiative" -- oooo sounds so STRONG in character...rugged, take charge, resoruceful, creative, leadership...wow...things , qualities everyone LOVES..

BUT WHAT does it REALLY MEAN? THIS ''FEEL GOOD" PHRASE?

'allow corporations and energy companies to dig more oil, gas, frack, cut down gtrees and take tax breaks for POLLUTING the skies and the land.".

OBAMA'S AMAZING ORWELLIAN language usage:

""pivot to asia" =--- ooo -- such a BALLET, DANCE SOUNDING phrase...
like Pirouette -- so CUTE -- SO innocent like...

what does it REALLY mean?

TRANS-PACIFIC-[PARTNERSHIP with bills and laws and regulations and secretive orders written BY AMERICAN CORPORATIONS passed off as american LAWS --

PUSHED onto ASIA governments (usually with bribes ,,it's been dmitted by former americna CIA etc..offricials towards UEROPEAN leaders and MEDIA "SIMPLE we give them bags and bags of money, literally, the good old way") -- that is well-known and doesn't need further talk) -

in which americna corporations HAVE the right to SUE entire countries for passing laws that PROTET their people, wages, rights, environment, etc...if american ''shareholders" are not satisfied with their RETURNS of invetsments IN THE FUTURE...

a LITERAL FORCING of american LAWS INTO the heads of peoples elsewhere.

ya --

that's ''american progress.\'

just one of countless examples..
 

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You are entirely unfair. I never pretend that the US is the best or exceptional, and I have tried to champion women on this forum. You are playing both sides against the middle, with me. I am not your enemy, I am your ally. Trying to debate you is like trying to nail jello to the wall. But now you've brought in the prison system, and I'll be with you on that.
 
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